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Beware a happiness bubble in 2012

Posted Sep 18 2009, 04:39 AM by Jon Markman
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If you're an out-of-work behavioral finance specialist, I have a project for you: Figure out why there's a three-year cycle of optimism and pessimism among investors.

ISI Group analysts pointed out in a note to clients this week that investors in the past decade and a half have been getting overly happy and overly gloomy every three years. I never thought about it before, but it seems to be true enough.

Back in 1997, investors grew gloomy and global markets tanked amid  the Asian currency crisis. But three years later, in 2000, investors became overly sunny about the Internet revolution and the market topped.

Three years after that, in 2003, investors were too bearish again after terror attacks, Enron's collapse and a three year decline in stocks, and the market hit bottom. Three years after that, in 2006, investors got too bullish again amid hopes about globalization, China, a housing boom and economic Goldilocks scenarios -- and the real estate market topped out. 

Then three years later on, in early 2009, investors got too downcast amid the credit panic, housing bust and government intrusion in the market, and pushed the market down hard.

So ISI issues this bold forecast: Beware becoming overly bullish three years from now amid a big market rally in 2012. Mark your calendars.

Comments

 

Hopeless fool.  For 35+ years I read and listened as the gurus spouted "buy and hold" and dollar cost averaging.  Now retired and 40% poorer, those models are dead.  Funny how all the experts are now talking up market timing.

Almost every day a new article comes out on this site advising some form of market timing.  The problem is, Wall Street is a Ponzi scheme.  Now we all understand this.  You can do just as well (or poorly) in Las Vegas.  I have earned back a little since last winter by jumping in and out of bonds.  But I will never again stick one dime into stocks.  

HAHA, PLEASE STAY OUT SO WE US YOUNGINS CAN REAP ALL THE DOUGH!!

LOL DOW 20K IN 2015, DOW 25K IN 2020

Hi Mark, the above comment is a good indicator that this bull market is not done.

By the way sdan, you will buy stocks again....probably right near the top again lol!

maybe you should have left your funds where they were at. I, too, lost aprox. 40% (about 37%) this past season but have gained it all back since February. I'm up 39% thus far this year. Yes, I could/should be further ahead but you take the good with the bad. At this point, I'm just happy that I have time to recover & that I am up as of today.

wow what a dum ass buy high sell low... what a way to get rich. If you starve it is you fault..oops i forgot this is  the USA you will be looking for someone to bail u out.

Prozac in the water supplys every three years?

I stopped actively investing in 2004, so I bought no stocks "near the top".  My "profits" were all on paper (since 1978), and I have never taken any money out of my retirement accounts. Since I have always lived below my means, I don't need that money to live on now.  It is going to my child when I die.  But I was in virtually the same spot in 2009 that I was in in 1999.  Under my mattress would have worked just as well.  

The bottom line is the average "expert" is playing fortune-teller with your money, and the entire system is rigged.  And, MESO, you might just as easily get run over by a bus tomorrow.  You don't understand the system, as you seem to think that because I have left there will somehow by "more" for you.  You will never make a dime unless someone is willing to buy your stocks for more than you paid for them.  Good luck with the "timing" on that.  

I agree market timing is everything. I learned my lesson in 1987 and paniced and lost. This time I held on and bought all the way down and at the bottom. Instead of being down 70% I am up 20% by averaging down. I took some off the table last month and paid off my house. Now I will slowly sell out and wait for the next recession bottom to get back in. Sell high and buy low timing works.

sdan I agree with everything you said. Funny how people over the age of fifty seem to see things th same way. The Dow was about the same ten years ago as it is today. You could have almost doubled your money by investing in bonds or CD's. If you had invested with an index fund you'd be back where you started. MESO has no clue and probably plays by intuition.

There will be some more hoopla about how Wall Street will get honest again for average smart ass investors like MESO to get sucked into their rigged racket of taking from the Poorer's to give to the Richey's.  I too road the coaster up and down again for 25 years  until the 14,000 Dow and then pulled out entirely into a 5 year CD at 5.71 APR. at the Credit Union around the corner.  That is where I vow to stay.  With no traditional pensions or beneficial employer 401-K's left for the MESO's of this world, He better be right when he lay's down his money at the

craps tables on Wall Street.      

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