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Why stocks aren't overpriced

Posted Sep 16 2009, 09:26 AM by Minyanville
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This article is written by Minyanville's Sean Udall

Listening to CNBC yesterday morning I was struck by two key things: First, there are obvious factors/evidence that many are choosing to ignore. Second, we should always be mindful of what may not be obvious and try to skate to where the puck is going to be.

However, sometimes the obvious meshes with where the puck is going. I find this especially true during times of great collective doubt.

Read Our Marionette Economy for an opposing viewpoint.

Post 1991, it was very popular to doubt the rally. We were at war and the S&L crisis was far from being declared dead. It was an incredible time to believe that stocks deserved to be pushed higher -- especially in light of numerous signs of profound growth in many industries.

Moreover, when I hear that the market price is "unjustified" by "current fundamentals," I simply know we're going higher in the intermediate term and longer. My point is, that statement is just factually wrong.

Aside from trailing P/Es -- which are hugely artificially depressed by the now-defunct FAS 157 rule -- the market is still quite cheap on nearly every other balance-sheet metric. Further, P/Es are rarely thought to be fair barometers of market valuation at and near earnings troughs.

Normalized P/Es adjusted for the accounting changes should be used, yet you'll rarely see these sorts of analyses in print. But they're used by CIOs and investment-committee meetings as well as complex blackboxes. And these are saying that stocks are still well valued against competing asset classes.

Additionally, I called for much stronger economic growth months back and was nearly universally ignored. Now that multiple signs of confirmation are at our backdoor, most pundits are simply choosing to ignore them. And those that talk about the strength are thought to be Pollyannas. So here's a short list of confirming data points:
 
Just yesterday we saw surprising strength in retail sales.

The semiconductor strength is far beyond a restocking effect and, if anything, we need a full inventory restock in the silicon food chain. When this happens, what will the numbers look like?

In my view, we'll see continual signs of technology strength in routing/fiber, wireless infrastructure, enterprise storage (very strong), and IT software installs. Again, this isn't inventory related.

Very strong numbers in US GDP, ISM (Institute of Supply Management), Philly Fed, and Empire reports.

Months of strength in Germany, the UK, and much of Europe.

Oh, and I'm no longer alone in my contrarian economic view: Goldman has joined the black parade, calling for stronger GDP growth on a macro level. On a micro level, it's been on an upgrade rampage in recent weeks and just a few days ago, upped the whole industrial sector, raising ratings and/or price targets on General Electric (GE), Danaher (DHR), Dover (DOV), 3M (MMM), Illinois Tool Works (ITW), Roper Industries (ROP), United Technologies (UTX), Parker Hannifin (PH) and Kimberly-Clark (KMT). I don't think Goldman would be doing this if they were betting on the double-dip trip. (Illinois Tool Works also just raised guidance yesterday.)

Aside from economic fundamentals, a primary reason I still see sizable upside in the coming months is because we still have multitudes of names like Google (GOOG), Cisco Systems (CSCO), Broadcom (BRCM), Microsoft (MSFT), JPMorgan (JPM), Nasdaq OMX Group (NDAQ), NYSE Euronext (NYX), and best-of-breed solar that haven't moved much given the improved backdrop.

So while a Baidu (BIDU) or Marvell Technology Group (MRVL) or STEC (STEC) may look like they've moved far too much off lows (but likely not yet), many more high-quality names have experienced a fraction of the move higher.

So while I called for a 7-8% correction (see buzzes) about 5% ago, I still see the forest, the trees, and the shrubs. And from my perch, I think we're far from seeing the majority of this total move off lows in a fairly compressed time frame. Even so, I'm still operating from my trading standpoint, and thus sticking with my correction call. I remain largely long, but with sizable hedges and proactive premium collection strategies while actively trading around my core Nifty 15.

Positions in GOOG, JPM, NDAQ, WFR, SPWRA, MRVL.

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Comments

 

Funny, I haven't seen ANY strong numbers in US GDP. Despite back to school sales, tax free holidays, and cash for clunkers gimmicks sales rose 2.8% in August over July. The latest info from the BEA is dated August 27th, 2009.

Those numbers, in reality, are pretty damned pathetic.

The ISM's NMI is at 48.5. New orders are still down. Inventories are contracting. I do see some increase in manufacturing, but wonder if it is just to replenish inventories?

Look, I would LOVE to see an expanding economy. I just don't see it yet. Maybe we've hit bottom or are coming off bottom, but I do NOT see that we're growing. One month (or one week, when MSN crows over first time unemployment figures decreasing... to 500,000) of growth does not mean that the worst is over. By the way, numbers lower than 350,000 indicate employment growth.

I do know that unemployment is a lagging indicator, but I still don't get that thrill up my leg from what I'm seeing in the big picture. Maybe in November.

Here's an interesting item: Look at all the ships anchored off Malaysia (the Ghost Fleet of the Recession) that aren't being used to bring goods to the US. That's not good news, especially since we import most of our steel.

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Revealed-The-ghost-fleet-recession-anchored-just-east-Singapore.html

Sorry, this just ain't blowin' my dress up, so to speak. You know what would stop the economic malaise? If Obama would ditch the ObamaCare nightmare. There, I've said it.

Stocks are overpriced if you can't afford it hello...what do THAT say...

ANothjer paid shill makes another stupid comment on CNBC, just don't count on them to bail you after the next crash!

not overpriced your ass.

The Oracle spoke yesterday and Berkshire A rose three per cent today. So is Buffet a great investor or does he just have the power to herd the masses to make himself look like a great investor?

have you looked to see  how berskshire had done in comparison to the DOW since the first of the year.  Hasn't performed anywhere near the 3 major indexes.  I am beginning to wish he and a few other major players would just keep their opinions to themselves.  

Berkshire has ten year horizons anyway. Paulsen/Bernake should have let the system crash so it could heal itself. Now we will go through yet another boom (mini boom) and a bust that will take us where we need to go.

Nice try.  Most companies have massive operating losses and you say that they are not overpriced.  Wow.  

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I found the observation interesting from the recent responder regarding  the anchored ships in Malaysia. Now I know where the fleet is that usually waits to unload at the port of Baltimore. We were out on the Chesapeake Saturday and the port's container docks - usually busy - were empty. So we looked up and down the bay and there were no ships waiting to pull in. How is it in Long Beach and Charleston??? I think I'll wait a little longer, thank you very much.

Shoot, Houston You Have a Problem, you were actually sounding informed, intelligent, and rational all the way up to those last two little sentences of yours.  Oh well, maybe next post you keep your ignorance bottled up long enough to get a full post completed without shootin' yerself in the foot, so to speak.  There, I said it.

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