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Who killed the hydrogen-powered car?

Posted Jun 08 2009, 09:29 AM by Minyanville
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In a perfect world, all energy would come from electricity and hydrogen. Wind, solar, tidal, geothermal, and other renewable energy sources would provide enough electricity to power everything except air transportation. The “conventional” answer to transportation in the future was the hydrogen fuel cell. It doesn’t get any better than that. The fuel cell burns hydrogen and powers cars, trucks, and any other transportation vehicle. The hydrogen combines with oxygen to form water vapor. No other gases or pollutants are released.

The hydrogen fuel cell is an efficient generator of electricity, but it has one major problem: It needs hydrogen. So where does it get it? Therein lies the hydrogen myth. On Earth, there's no hydrogen to mine. You have to make it, and that requires wasting energy. You could conceivably mine hydrogen from the sun or Jupiter, but even Al Gore would probably agree that that would be tough to accomplish.

Last month, the Department of Energy (DOE) finally conceded that hydrogen won't be a part of the near-term solution to global warming, the peak oil crisis, or anything else you can think of. They're cutting back funding dramatically on hydrogen research. This is a triumph of physics over policy. In the long run, physics will always win, but we have way too many policy wonks in Washington without a clue about how the physical world works.

Even if hydrogen could be produced cheaply, it has another problem that makes it impractical as a fuel for transportation. Even when highly compressed, the energy density per liter or gallon is very low compared to gasoline or diesel fuel. Think about the size of the fuel tanks on the trucks that deliver gasoline to a station compared to the size of the tank on the truck. The ratio is about 90 to 1. That’s an efficient delivery system. If a hydrogen delivery truck had to burn hydrogen, the size of the fuel tank for the engine would be about one-quarter of the size of the delivery tank! Energy density or transportation problems didn’t kill hydrogen. What killed it is the deliverable amount of energy to the wheels of a vehicle compared to a battery solution. This is why we won't be seeing hydrogen-powered cars from Toyota (TM), Honda (HMC), or Ford (F).

The table below needs a little explanation. It starts with 100 kilowatts of electricity from renewable sources -- solar or wind for example. It then compares the steps required to get the electrical energy stored on a vehicle as either hydrogen or batteries. During each step, energy is lost -- generally as heat -- until electric power is driving the electric motors on a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle or a battery-powered vehicle. Each step shows the percentage efficiency and the remaining energy left after each step.

This table used data from an article published by Ulf Bossel entitled, "Does a Hydrogen Economy Make Sense?" in Proceedings of the IEEE, Vol. 94, No. 10, October 2006. You can argue all you want about the exact percentages used in each step, but the result won't be much different. A battery-powered vehicle will be close to 3 times as efficient as a hydrogen- powered fuel cell vehicle.

The DOE got it right.

If the one word back in the 1967 movie The Graduate was “plastics," the word for the future will be “batteries,” with the possible addition of “ultracaps." I’ll discuss batteries and a potential “ultracap play” in a follow-up article.

Top Stocks blogging partner Todd Harrison is founder & CEO of Minyanville.com. This post was written by Minyanville Contributor James Anderson.

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I didn't find a way to open the table you refer to. Help.

"  Battery powered vehicles are definitely the way of the future.  Investors should be looking at companies that are at the forefront of developing solutions for the next generation of vehicles  "

-  www.alternativeenergystock.com

Global warming is an unproven theory. Maybe the government is softpedaling it without admitting it.

Bull Donkey's,

Hydrogen fuel cell tech has been shelved by GE since 1999m when they were suppose to release it but postponed the release until 2006 which has been postponed again. We all know about Toyota postponing the plug-in which has been on the road for years and you can pay for a conversion for about $5,000. Did you know that Toyota has not imported one hybrid minivan even though they have used them for years in Japan?

Isn't with holding tech from US citizens a crime. Well it should be!!

What about the guy who invented the hydrogen engine in Clearwaater Florida that gets 100 miles on 4 ounces of water. Danny Klein will not disappear as did so many other inventors of oil-less tech.

Tuesday, December 26, 2006

Inventor Of Water Powered Car Murdered?

Quoted from the Website "growing, growing, gone"

This was an amazing video that was just released today on Google Video. This man Stan Meyer's built a car that runs entirely on water. The car gets 100 miles to the gallon, which is just astonishing. Well, what do you think happened to this earth changing inventor.... hmm the man was allegedly poisoned, and died in 1998. Later that week all of his equipment and the car that he created has stolen and never recovered. Stan Meyer's had spoken repeatedly about how he was being threatened by oil companies, but refused to bow to their wishes of abandoning the project.

For Obama to be so concerned with "global warming", he doesnt seem to mind burning up thousands of gallons of jet fuel just to take his wife on a date or go somewhere just to blow hot air as he reads his telepromptor. Global warming is a farce just to give the green weenies a cause. Al gore is making a hundred million bucks from it. It makes sense to reduce our dependency on foreign oil but Hydrogen is a joke. Cars with electric as a primary and gas as a secondary source of power make the most sense. But the batteries have a long way to go before you can safely drive any lengthy distance. America still not ready to embrace the tiny green weenie cars either. Can't wait to see Michael Moore stuffed into a smart car. I would pay admission for that.

Where are the Hybrid Diesels??? Oh thats right in EUROPE NOT HERE!!!!

"You have to make it, and that requires wasting energy."

...but if we used our current energy source to 'prime the pump' and build hydrogen as a fuel supply, wouldn't we then be able to USE hydrogen to create hydrogen?

I understand the delivery system problems, but if funding weren't cut back the problem could be solved by research.

We're going to change our fuel source - the only question is, will it be a short, hard,  painful cut over or a slower, controlled, smooth change we can control?

"For Obama to be so concerned with "global warming", he doesnt seem to mind burning up thousands of gallons of jet fuel just to take his wife on a date..."

You know... I voted for him, but boy is this statement dead-on

Um, common sense guy... where are those hydrogen mines?

Making hydrogen is an energy intensive process.

What do we need? (C'mon folks... that big elephant in the room you keep ignoring)

We need NUCLEAR POWER. NOW. Plain and simple. The key to economic growth is CHEAP energy, not hydrogen (unless it is fusion). A hundred new nuclear plants and we could run EVERY CAR IN AMERICA off electricity and fuel cells.

To those who caterwall "China Syndrome," "Chernobyl," or "Three Mile Island" the first was a badly written movie, the second was an accident that couldn't happen here because we haven't used that kind of reactor since 1960, and the third worked exactly as designed in the aftermath of an accident. We have a tremendous supply of uranium that is sitting on our soil, but blithering ninnies won't let us dig it up or enrich it. They whine about "nuclear waste" when in reality most "waste" is plastic booties and those rubber gloves used in nuclear plants that HAVE TO BE DISPOSED OF AS "WASTE" even if they are not contaminated... federal regulation.

More nukes. Less kooks. THAT should be our future, even with current battery and hybrid technology.

What type of poison did this man die from? There is a compound call prussic acid that will burn in the presence of water(very toxic). It was used in scams going way back, even Henry Ford fell for the likes of one of these hucksters. By the way, if you burn prussic acid in an engine it will wear the engine out so fast you will be lucky to get 100 miles before the engine gives it up!

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