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Growl! Bearish warnings for stocks in 2009

Posted Jan 08 2009, 01:29 PM by Kim Peterson
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Amid much speculation that we've already hit the bottom of the market, investment adviser Thomas Ryan shakes his head and says the worst is yet to come.

Stocks will decline in 2009, Ryan writes on Seeking Alpha, because they're still not cheap. On the most basic level, a stock is considered cheap when it trades at less than 10 times earnings. In 1982, for example, stocks bottomed with a ratio of 7 times earnings. But these days, stocks are trading, on average, at nearly 25 times earnings.

And housing prices are still crashing. October's home prices were down 18% from the year before. We won't see a market bottom until that slows down, Ryan writes.

Other signs that stocks will fall? Americans are going deeper into debt. More big writedowns on mortgage-related losses are coming.

And corporate earnings estimates are way too high, Ryan writes. The average analyst estimate for S&P 500 companies is $71.69 per share next year -- higher than the $44.91 in trailing earnings. "There is absolutely no way companies will earn more in 2009 than in 2008. None."

Companies are finding it very hard to restructure their loans, and credit spreads are at levels where companies can't fund themselves and survive, Ryan writes.

And more than 90% of hedge funds have lost money this year, he writes, some to the point where they aren't letting clients withdraw any more money. Half of the hedge funds out there could disappear this year.

"The market in 2009 is going to break people’s spirits, as even the patient investors who waited are going to lose money in bear market that seems to go on forever," he writes. "Those who waited for the drop before buying will get crushed just like those who were in at the top."

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STUPID people lost money in 1929, SMART people lost in 1930, VERY SMART people lost in 1931 and VERY, VERY SMART  people lost money in 1932. It's a historic fact!!!

"Bottomfishing" is a dangerous game indeed. SELL RALLIES!!!!!!

I ve been watching msnbc,fox and cnn and all the wall street types keep saying that the market is about due for a turn around. How do they know this its a load of bull . People are losing there jobs by the thousands , companies are down sizing so who do they think is going to buy the stuff there building ghosts. I know i wont buy anything that i done have to right now and i am sure not going to give my money to anybody to invest they might be a cousin to madoff you never know. So squirrel away your money be tight and let the greed ones fall so we can get this country back on track with people that have some common sense!

I just wonder when people finally realize that Obama is not a magician?

May be next time David Copperfield should run for President.....

I seems people are beginning to sit on what ever money they have left in savings.  That trickling down effect has started. People are less apt to take giant steps on limbs that won't hold up. Baby steps seem safer.

Mega Bear, thank you for the link, very educational material, may be we should forward it to the "talking heads" at msnbc, cnn and the likes....but i feel that they have read it already and just working off their Christmas Wall street bonuses by luring people in this "inauguration rally". Shame on them, shame on Warren Buffet too ("Buy stocks now"). At least Jim Cramer had balls to say it like it is.

Right on...Most of the "talking heads" talk rally and bull market because they are heavily invested in the market.They want to see your money back in the crooked stock market.

You cannot trust anyone right now.I like Jim Cramer too,but what happens to his charitable trust and book sales if everyone keeps their money under the mattress?

All I here is people saying I'm going to wait till the market bottoms before I get back in. Wait for what? If you need the money in the next five years then keep your money out of the market or plan on trading daily if your in. I have made a very good profit off this market in the last year. Not buy shorting stock either. All long. All you have to do is look at the companys sheet and do your homework. Stop running with the pack. If they say BUY stock xyz then run the other way, don't walk. Pick stocks outside the box. That's how I've played this market for the last year. If you look you will find MANY good stocks outside the box that don't run with the packs.

I don't see anything wrong with people who trade for living making few dollars on those bear market rallies, but for the media to scream to the average joe: " it's the bottom, buy now , INVESTMENT opportunity of a life time!!!"  It's , to say the least,  highly irresponsible!

   Hmmm, but on the other hand, how can they make those few dollars without the fresh blood in the market?

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