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Myths about the Big 3 automakers

Posted Nov 21 2008, 02:41 PM by Kim Peterson
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The Wall Street Journal and U.S. News try some mythbusting about the Detroit automakers pressuring Congress for a bailout.

The automakers have returned home in failure, by the way, after pleading for help from lawmakers. Democrats said they wanted to see more evidence the companies had a turnaround plan in place, and asked to see a proposal next month. The inability to secure aid will increase the pressure on the companies' boards, the Journal says.

Now, about those myths:

1. Bankruptcy is, actually, an option. In fact, General Motors is already bankrupt, writes the Journal's Paul Ingrassia. It's out of cash and needs emergency help. All that's left is the official bankruptcy filing. Same for Chrysler.

2. Removing the chief won't help. The CEO of GM has said he didn't see the point of resigning, according to the Journal. Well, how about a fresh start after disastrous financial results and a plunging share price?

3. Bankruptcy equals death. It's actually a second chance, according to Ingrassia. The companies could get a fresh start by getting out of cumbersome contracts. And that doesn't just mean union obligations, either. We're talking about commitments with dealers, retirees and others.

4. Mandating bonus cuts or fuel-efficient cars is necessary. Customers are already pushing for more fuel-efficient cars, so the government doesn't need to make that a condition on automakers, Ingrassia writes. And executive pay really isn't much of a problem.

5. A GM-Chrysler merger guarantees succeess. The automakers are putting the best spin on what a merged company would look like, but there's no guarantee. GM has massive problems of its own, much less what it would bring on with Chrysler, Ingrassia writes.

6. The Big Three don't build small cars. They build them -- they aren't very good, according to U.S. News. Domestic cars have a miserable showing in the magazine's quality rankings, while Toyotas rule.

7. The Big Three don't build desirable cars. Think Ford Fusion. Or the Chevrolet Malibu, Cadillac CTS or Saturn Outlook, writes U.S. News' Rick Newman. But when gas prices soared, the companies didn't have much left to offer. GM and Ford can't compete with a good minivan, or a crossover, or a fun little car like the Mini Cooper, Newman writes.

8. Blame the guys asking for handouts. The CEOs of Chrysler and Ford are relatively new, and have to deal with bad decisions made by predecessors. GM's Rick Wagoner has been around for eight years and bears some responsibility. Still, GM's march to failure began even before Wagoner, Newman writes.

9. CEOs should fly coach. They couldn't handle any urgent phone calls that way, Newman writes, and they'd have to whisper to avoid the media and others listening in the next row. But if these CEOs are asking for the people's money, they should take the people's transportation, he writes.

10. Blame the unions. The unions added to corporate bloat, Newman writes, but they have made major concessions since then. If you want to point fingers, point at the expensive healthcare plans that retirees get. And unions are going to have to accept the fact that the cushy job and wage protections of the past cannot exist in today's world.

11. The automakers aren't trying. They've cut costs and closed factories. But they haven't made the major, earthshaking moves they need to, like killing off divisions or demanding universal healthcare, Newman writes.

Comments

 

I love the fact that we worry about giving money to the rich so they can continue to steal from the rest of us suckers. I love also how speculation was a major factor in what we paid for comodities. Now that demand is lower there is always some expert telling us that falling prices are bad for us. Maybe, but it sure feels nice to be able to fuel the car and heat the house. I guess that's the consolation prize for losing any hope of retirement!Don't even get me started on the thieves in Washington.

US Automakers screwed up and digging bigger hole. They make a lousy cars. Management enjoys golden parachutes. Union is one of the worst kind. Bailout would never vote. How are they going to use money if it is available. Just sit there and make few cars at a time with full salary. There are million families with no jobs. We must share the pains. NO BAIL OUT.

Re: $700 Billion Bailout

Rather than giving the $700,000,000,000 to banks, insurance companies, investment companies and automobile manufacturers where the use of the money is neither controlled nor regulated and where it could very well disappear, consider the following alternative.

Stop the $700 billion disbursement to industry immediately, instead, initiate a stimulus disbursement program and distribute the funds equally to every taxpayer in the country.

Funds could be used to make mortgage payments, or to buy anything made or serviced here, including houses, cars, appliances, etc. This would immediately curtail most foreclosures by supplementing household income and bridging the gap created by increasing mortgage rates. But, equally important it would afford others the opportunity to make immediate purchasing decisions

This allocation of funds directly to the taxpayer would boost our economy immediately and beyond anything we can hope to attain by giving to poorly managed industries. To do so would simply be throwing good money after bad. It makes no sense to channel the money into the same systems that created our problems in the first place. Furthermore banks are currently hoarding funds already disbursed, that’s not helping the economy.

Consumers on the other hand, would put the money immediately and directly into the economy where companies could then compete openly. Is not this the American Way? Consumers would distribute the money immediately, where it is most needed, for them.

Payments for schooling and mortgages, (two critical expenditures in any family, in fact any society) could be allocated at a two to one ratio thereby driving the population toward investing in higher education and improved living standards. Globally, we must think long term.

While some taxpayers might not be in such need as others, all would be included. Stimulus payments would be invested either in the marketplace or deposited in banks. Any bank deposits would then strengthen banks by building their reserves, affording them greater loaning capabilities.

This stimulus would in fact become an immediate flotation device to those in real need while providing a modest amount of extra funds for those who are not in such need. In addition, it would immediately lift those near the bottom of the earning brackets to a relatively much more comfortable level. This is a greatly overlooked niche in society. When the lowest levels improve and move upward they move all levels above them upward also, this then results in the entire economy moving upward.

The secret to making this stimulus plan work is to keep it as simple as the previous stimulus program and also to make the decision as quickly as that made originally to distribute $700 billion. Funds can be distributed by reference to tax records and Social Security numbers as before.

Based on 100 million taxpayers, this stimulus would amount to $7,000 per taxpayer. If a $600 stimulus check can boost the economy, imagine what more than ten times that amount would do?

Don't throw the money blindly at industry, where the problems were created -- give it to the taxpayer and let American industry compete for it, generating hundreds of thousands of jobs along the way.

Let's see, our government now "owns" insurance companies, banks, and next, car companies... Who do you think the people will petition next for lower costs, cheaper money, etc.. Socialism creeps in - slowly but surely. Socialism and Capitalism are opposites, and it looks like we are fast changing what has made us into the greatest nation in the world.... What a shame!!!

The hourly wage at the auto makers has very little to do with their problems.  If it takes 56 minutes to assemble a car, with nearly all parts outsourced, how big of a factor is that extra $40 on a $30,000 car?  The problems are with the corporate jets, management greed, and Michigan and The Fed raping the companies with taxes.  Health benefits will ruin any business so that has to cease too.  The Big Three are already bankrupt, they are out of cash, so without demand products there really is not hope.  The only plan to survive should be new models and cease the life long benefits.

25 billion bailout, that will barely keep them viable the first couple of months in 2009, maybe less, they are bleeding badly due to lack of foresight....

What happens to a private individual that is self emplyed and gets into trouble due to' lack of foresight', I don't see the government handing out funds to 'bail out' these individuals...

bankruptcy reorganiztion is needed, then lets see if they can compete.....

no handouts...

if the big three want to help this country, then make them stop all outsourcing. that would put people back to work, which means that more people will have money to spend, which inturn will put more demand on the economy, which will

snowball the need to manufacturing back into this country.

note:  all are true meaning these companys can change all the above if they choose.  for example fuel effieciency all three can change the bigger question how they wont.  one other thing maybe if they would build some of the items at these auto shows business probably would spike thus enhancing more products example.  theres talk of ford killing mercury this does not have to be meaning ford interceptor modify the front fascia with something like the ford focus but yet call it the mercury montego.  they can change anything they choose but will they.  last but not least dont go so long with the same body.  hint toyota,nissan:  look and learn..

The real problem is two-fold. Congress folks always want credit for something they do, and in general terms, the citizenry is better off if Congress does nothing. But this is an exception. Congress should act immediately and forward $25B (or whatever) to the Big Three to avoid even a hint of bankruptcy. Car buyers won't buy from a company on the verge of bankruptcy.

Number 2: The management of the car companies have, for years, acquiesced to the demands of the unions -- and you union-lovers KNOW that to be true. The union bosses want their member to live in a socialistic environment, and they've won. To pay someone 95% of their pay to stay home is ridiculous. The unions wield a big stick with their threats to strike, but auto management should have said "Enough is enough!" So you can blame company management for allowing the unions to be that powerful.

Unions do NOT produce prosperity for the masses. Unions promote "mediocrity". There is little incentive to do more than the contract calls for. Why should I work any harder? I'll get my pay anyway and I won't be fired!

One last point: Quality surveys show that Chrysler has a lot of catching up to do. GM is a little better off in Quality, but not across their product lines. Ford, on the other hand, is far and above the best of the bunch and can compete with the foreign car makers on quality.

'Nuf said!

to say detroit cant build fuel efficient cars is out of line. i rented a2008 toyota seina van in august it got 23 mpg my two 99 and00 pontiac motanas get 23 - 25 mpg. it is not just detroit, but everybody. i am an ase certified mechanic and would take a gran prix or cavalier over any kia or hundayi or how ever you spell it any day. a full size dodge 2500 will get better milage than a tundra or frontier. maybe detroit just needs to spend more on advertising. the problem is the uaw im all for good wages but to pay high wages and benifits to do production work is stupid. many of these people couldnt pour piss out of a boot with instuctions written on the heel.

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