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Myths about the Big 3 automakers

Posted Nov 21 2008, 02:41 PM by Kim Peterson
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The Wall Street Journal and U.S. News try some mythbusting about the Detroit automakers pressuring Congress for a bailout.

The automakers have returned home in failure, by the way, after pleading for help from lawmakers. Democrats said they wanted to see more evidence the companies had a turnaround plan in place, and asked to see a proposal next month. The inability to secure aid will increase the pressure on the companies' boards, the Journal says.

Now, about those myths:

1. Bankruptcy is, actually, an option. In fact, General Motors is already bankrupt, writes the Journal's Paul Ingrassia. It's out of cash and needs emergency help. All that's left is the official bankruptcy filing. Same for Chrysler.

2. Removing the chief won't help. The CEO of GM has said he didn't see the point of resigning, according to the Journal. Well, how about a fresh start after disastrous financial results and a plunging share price?

3. Bankruptcy equals death. It's actually a second chance, according to Ingrassia. The companies could get a fresh start by getting out of cumbersome contracts. And that doesn't just mean union obligations, either. We're talking about commitments with dealers, retirees and others.

4. Mandating bonus cuts or fuel-efficient cars is necessary. Customers are already pushing for more fuel-efficient cars, so the government doesn't need to make that a condition on automakers, Ingrassia writes. And executive pay really isn't much of a problem.

5. A GM-Chrysler merger guarantees succeess. The automakers are putting the best spin on what a merged company would look like, but there's no guarantee. GM has massive problems of its own, much less what it would bring on with Chrysler, Ingrassia writes.

6. The Big Three don't build small cars. They build them -- they aren't very good, according to U.S. News. Domestic cars have a miserable showing in the magazine's quality rankings, while Toyotas rule.

7. The Big Three don't build desirable cars. Think Ford Fusion. Or the Chevrolet Malibu, Cadillac CTS or Saturn Outlook, writes U.S. News' Rick Newman. But when gas prices soared, the companies didn't have much left to offer. GM and Ford can't compete with a good minivan, or a crossover, or a fun little car like the Mini Cooper, Newman writes.

8. Blame the guys asking for handouts. The CEOs of Chrysler and Ford are relatively new, and have to deal with bad decisions made by predecessors. GM's Rick Wagoner has been around for eight years and bears some responsibility. Still, GM's march to failure began even before Wagoner, Newman writes.

9. CEOs should fly coach. They couldn't handle any urgent phone calls that way, Newman writes, and they'd have to whisper to avoid the media and others listening in the next row. But if these CEOs are asking for the people's money, they should take the people's transportation, he writes.

10. Blame the unions. The unions added to corporate bloat, Newman writes, but they have made major concessions since then. If you want to point fingers, point at the expensive healthcare plans that retirees get. And unions are going to have to accept the fact that the cushy job and wage protections of the past cannot exist in today's world.

11. The automakers aren't trying. They've cut costs and closed factories. But they haven't made the major, earthshaking moves they need to, like killing off divisions or demanding universal healthcare, Newman writes.

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100 years ago Henry Ford introduced the first American made car the got 25 mpg. And today with all our computer advances and space age materials our cars still get about 25 mpg. After all this time and advancement cars today should get50 mpg and I'm not talking about a hybrid. Furthermore, pickup trucks should get 30 mpg. The technology is available. Ford recently announced a 65 mpg car but will not offer it in the U. S. because they don't think there would be a market for it because it is a diesel. The math says that even with diesel prices 1 dollar a gallon over gasoline that in a 20000 mile year my fuel costs over a 30 mpg car would save 1000 dollars. Saving money on fuel is important now more than ever even though fuel prices are back down. When they sky rocket again we will wish we could get 65 mpg. Next, who do car makers think they are fooling with these rebates ? This just tells me that they're cars are tremendously over priced. And as far as GM is concerned, how many divisions make the exact same car ? Oh my people don't like the Chevy XXX so lets call it the Buick YYY and it will sell ? What sort of mentality is that ? Also to GM the way to save a failing auto maker is not to buy another failing auto maker. As far as the unions go , I don't have a pension and my retirement account has taken a major hit recently. If I can take it so can you.

The big 3 have cut their own throats. The only inovation out of Detroit over the last 30 years was the mini-van that rolled out on the Phil Donahue show in the 70's. All 3 have made pathetic business and barganing agreement decisions that has caused their demise. They opened the door to foreign auto makers to build factories here, hire americans and prove that quality vehicles and sound business decisons still equal success in America. It is sad that all 3 took the low road many years ago and not one had the vision to right their ship before now. Blind management x 0 ingenuity + fleecing the public = No mercy.    

I can only laugh at the argument that there will not be financing available if we let them go into bankruptcy.........it seems to me that the government could then step in with some loans and guarantees, and at least, through bankruptcy the companies would have the legal means of unwinding some of the more burdensome contracts which they can not do now if we just give them money to continue their current path.

This a major problem. I don't think we should have to bail out any business. Period. This is a time were the strong and competitve prevail. The ones that have positioned themselves to market a product at a reduced cost in comparison to their competition should be commended for their achievments instead of helping the failing companies continue to do business as usual. At the same time the profitable auto makers have found a way to do it while providing stable job for there wokers and benefits for them and their families in  a non-union environment.

The Big 3 should take note as to what the competition is doing and duplicate that same business model. the obviously have not been keeping track of there costs and what the competition is doing.

They need to step back and start over on how to conduct business and survive in the future. Whatever they have been dong for years is not working.

well...well...suddently were all concerned about the big three"s plight.lets take a look at the truth.all your toyota, honda kia , nissian, plants were built on the taxpayers back  of what-ever state that was lucky to land them.land was bought by the state and donated- no property taxes are paid .then we hire 500 to900 locals to ass-emble thes trouble free machines.while the big 3 continue to pay ther way.0h... look at the window sticker on these wonders to see the american canadian content- you will find most say o%. no parts are from this country on 80% of these trouble free dreams.then go check the service bays of these rides you will find there full.....contrary to what you read by biased magazines they can and do break down.as for me i think i will keep my hard earned dollars in the good ole usa, driviing my new hummer.......love it.

My wife and I had a 1992 Buick Regal and drove it for almost 10 years. That car got 33 MPG at 75 MPH on a trip from Las Vegas NV to Boise Idaho. We now have a 2001 Buick Regal with a slightly larger engine. We recently drove it from Vegas to Tarzana CA and back and got over 31 MPG at the same 70 to 75 MPH. What in the hell is going on with GM? They could be using that engine in most of their line up and outstripping Toyota, Honda et al. Our service from Buick regals has been terrific and the maintainance well within reason. No I am not nuts and I dont drink! Can anyone out there tell me what is the falacy regarding foreign cars compared to a GM product. Why isn't GM exploiting what they already have?  

well ....well.. the country sinks deeper into the chasm of no return,what a shame from greatness to thrid world country almost over-night.as one of those lucky gm retiree's after 33 years and still a new car buyer well hummer buyer thought i would put my 2 cents in.lets take a look at the truth ------honda, toyota, nissian kia built  new plants in this country, or shoule i say the state taxpayers put in new plants for these companies.land bought buy the state in most cases -exemption from propety taxes for several years,labor at 8.00 to 12.00 hour. oh yea my dotors visit coast me the the full amount no copay.... for all you no-it-alls out there

Yes we need the automakers intact. As far as the price of oil we have been bested by the foriegn oil compnaies for some time. We have more oil than anyone else in the world. Read this and see if you don't agree.

www.usgs.gov/.../article.asp

Perhaps if gas was cheaper people could afford to buy more US cars.

Noy everyone says give them the money. If they had a chance of recovering, that would be a different story. But they have offended all but the very die-hard Big 3 buyers but those are conservative, and are taking a wait and see attitude.

First: the leases which allowed people to "rent" vehicles way above what they could really buy, are gone.

Second: the financing of vehicles for people with marginal credit is gone.

Third: the financing of 130-145% of the value of a vehicle, so people would be able to trade in their vehicle which they were upside down in, those days are gone.

Fourth: the days of pumping ever last dime of equity out of homes are gone. The equity was used to payoff credit cards, which meant a reduction in scheduled payments, which gave buyers the extra money to buy SUV and etc. Those days are gone.

Fifth: Government cannot legislate consumers into financial responsibility, nor can Government legislate consumer into buying, nor can Government rehire all those people who have lost their jobs in the past year, and all the thousands which are going to lose their jobs in the coming year.

The decision should be for the Government to take a wait and see position. GM will fold. Ford can purchase those products which are worth saving, along with the corresponding assembly lines, and hire the skilled workers, albeit at a  much lower wage and benefit level.

Ford can shut down their undesired products, and replace them with the hand picked GM products. The metal which is used in the production of vehicles has no idea who the manufacturers is going to be, Big 3, or otherwise.

A name on a vehicle doesn't make a vehicle more mpg efficient, or more reliable, or whatever.

And there are many other auto manufacturers in the US which will be very happy to amp up their production to fill any void in the market place caused by the shutting of any auto manufacturer.

But if Government keeps prolonging the inevitable, the end cost is going to be much greated than if the Government lets the market decide who survives and who closes. It would be pretty if any auto manufacturer closes, but if the inevitable is delayed, the final cost is going to be much, much, larger. Throwin g good money after bad never fixes a situation. GM has no financial discipline. The will return again and again for handouts as long as there is somebody willing to write them checks.

Correction, "it would be pretty "bad" if any auto manufacturers closes.

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