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Myths about the Big 3 automakers

Posted Nov 21 2008, 02:41 PM by Kim Peterson
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The Wall Street Journal and U.S. News try some mythbusting about the Detroit automakers pressuring Congress for a bailout.

The automakers have returned home in failure, by the way, after pleading for help from lawmakers. Democrats said they wanted to see more evidence the companies had a turnaround plan in place, and asked to see a proposal next month. The inability to secure aid will increase the pressure on the companies' boards, the Journal says.

Now, about those myths:

1. Bankruptcy is, actually, an option. In fact, General Motors is already bankrupt, writes the Journal's Paul Ingrassia. It's out of cash and needs emergency help. All that's left is the official bankruptcy filing. Same for Chrysler.

2. Removing the chief won't help. The CEO of GM has said he didn't see the point of resigning, according to the Journal. Well, how about a fresh start after disastrous financial results and a plunging share price?

3. Bankruptcy equals death. It's actually a second chance, according to Ingrassia. The companies could get a fresh start by getting out of cumbersome contracts. And that doesn't just mean union obligations, either. We're talking about commitments with dealers, retirees and others.

4. Mandating bonus cuts or fuel-efficient cars is necessary. Customers are already pushing for more fuel-efficient cars, so the government doesn't need to make that a condition on automakers, Ingrassia writes. And executive pay really isn't much of a problem.

5. A GM-Chrysler merger guarantees succeess. The automakers are putting the best spin on what a merged company would look like, but there's no guarantee. GM has massive problems of its own, much less what it would bring on with Chrysler, Ingrassia writes.

6. The Big Three don't build small cars. They build them -- they aren't very good, according to U.S. News. Domestic cars have a miserable showing in the magazine's quality rankings, while Toyotas rule.

7. The Big Three don't build desirable cars. Think Ford Fusion. Or the Chevrolet Malibu, Cadillac CTS or Saturn Outlook, writes U.S. News' Rick Newman. But when gas prices soared, the companies didn't have much left to offer. GM and Ford can't compete with a good minivan, or a crossover, or a fun little car like the Mini Cooper, Newman writes.

8. Blame the guys asking for handouts. The CEOs of Chrysler and Ford are relatively new, and have to deal with bad decisions made by predecessors. GM's Rick Wagoner has been around for eight years and bears some responsibility. Still, GM's march to failure began even before Wagoner, Newman writes.

9. CEOs should fly coach. They couldn't handle any urgent phone calls that way, Newman writes, and they'd have to whisper to avoid the media and others listening in the next row. But if these CEOs are asking for the people's money, they should take the people's transportation, he writes.

10. Blame the unions. The unions added to corporate bloat, Newman writes, but they have made major concessions since then. If you want to point fingers, point at the expensive healthcare plans that retirees get. And unions are going to have to accept the fact that the cushy job and wage protections of the past cannot exist in today's world.

11. The automakers aren't trying. They've cut costs and closed factories. But they haven't made the major, earthshaking moves they need to, like killing off divisions or demanding universal healthcare, Newman writes.

Comments

 

    Hold your nose and give the Big 3 the $25 billion (with some strings attached) and offer another $25 billion to bring to market a viable, affordable plug-in electric car, even if the car has a combustion engine as a battery charger/ driveline assistor.  The country's return on investment from the reduction of oil from the Middle East would be worth it.

    And let's give the politicians a little breathing room here.  It is Paulson who came to them, beating the drum of panic, when his crooked friend's pyramid schemes came to an end.  With $350 billion cash, Paulson managed to protect  his Goldman Sach pension plan and shore up his friendship with the Wall Street Casino operators. How's that for shear audacity.   If you're going to tell a lie, make it a big lie.  Goebels and Stalin would be mighty proud of Hank.

    Give the big 3 the money and tell them to bring their resignations next time they ask for more.

Kevin

TRUTH!!..Our government gives  millions in incentives and perks to the foreign auto makers in this country, and yet, is having a hard time deciding to help the American auto companies..

TRUTH!!.. Our government will give Billions to their fat cat banker buddies with no

restrictions or oversight...ie:Big parties and bonuses..etc.

TRUTH!!..Republicans are anti labor..ie:the average working man or woman who pays their taxes only to see them misspend it on their banker buddies.

700 billion divided by all tax paying U.S. legal citizens = more than enough to stimulate the economy, save the banks, bail-out the auto industry, infuse the mortgage industry.  Give it back to the people that your borrowing from in the first place, it is our money anyway or will be.  It our future earnings taxes that they are betting this crap shoot on.  

If I run my business into the ground can I ask for a bail-out too!!!!!!!!!!!

Better 25 billion now than a loss of millions of jobs and billions in revenue for the govt. later.

Let's keep those people at work...especially in these rough times.

It’s interesting to read the various comments on the American auto makers’ problems. It seems strange to me to advocate giving these firms taxpayer money when they make such an inferior product and there is such an over capacity of auto production in the USA.  Just go to the current LA Auto Show and look at the SUV’s and Hummers and compare them to the Japanese and European cars; then look at the inventory data. You’ll get the idea. Whether we give them money or not, these firms as they’re presently constituted and their current product line look like they’re are going to be history very shortly.  

I think that what our politicians have to do is minimize the negative impact to our economy of the restructuring event that has to take place.  I believe Chapter 11 is the way to go.  The government then can input taxpayer money with the assurance it will get it back.  Will people be hurt?  Yes, but they already know that.  Everyone knows the carousel has stopped.  With Chapter 11, we could end up with one or two firms that make fewer but better cars for our future.

They bailed out chrysler in the 80s, as well as texaco.  texaco changed their name to the star and suddenly didnt have to pay back anything b/c their original company name didnt exist.  brilliant! change your name and you dont owe anything!  

As far as this auto bailout, it will have more of an impact that the 700Billion dollar mistake to the idiots that caused it it the first place.  We need the american auto industry more than you know.  And yes they do and are making good cars and trucks.  I had  Toyota, i kept it for exactly 50 weeks. Went back to Chevrolet.

The quality of the Chevy is just as good as the Toyota, if not better.  Ive owned Acuras, toyota, mitsubishi,etc.  I will gladly buy another GM product.  They are getting better, but the media (which is influxed with cash from foreign investors) will tell you American stuff is crap... So will Consumer Reports.  Consumer Reports is so Toyota biased, it isnt funny.  They can test a car and the other non-Toyota brands will beat it everywhere, and they admit the others' quality, but will still reccomend the Toyota, just b/c it has the Toyota symbol on the front.  They may not accept "advertising dollars,"  but they take private contributions.  I wonder who the private contributor is...

I bet the media here wont tell you that in Japan, some high toyota execs were under indictment for allowing cars to be manufacturered with fatal flaws; yes the cars killed people.  Suspension parts BROKE off.  There was a recall here on it for the tacoma, highlander and 4 runner.  Even the FJ Crusiser had recall on it b/c the robot putting the tires on was calibrated wrong and it would cause tires to be cut during assembly, later causing accidents...  This was'nt GM, people. this was the great Toyota.  Toyota had more recalls last year than the BIG 3 combined.  Toyota quality? Please.  It's media circus and the majority of Americans cannot think for themselves and will mindlessly believe every word of the "Japanese engineering superiority,"  crap.  Now, German engineering, that is another story... They are good.  But there is nothing wrong with American Cars, espeicially GM.  GM light trucks average 20mpg, and thats in the 4x4's. Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Dogde, etc cannot match that yet.  

Hey all you people, why all this bs???  Look at the foreigners and how they are

actually rioting and demanding that the banks refund their losses.  What are we

doing besides "talking and complaining"?  Why don't we use some real force and

revolt TOGETHER, albeit, mannerly.  The entire nation can refuse, yes, refuse to

pay our taxes forcing the government to give up their huge pensions, health care

benefits, and perks.  We can do it only if we ALL unite and strike back thru a united

front. Are you willing to try?

Skip in PA

Chrysler repaid the loan to the government in record time" 2 years" plus interest..It kept a lot of people working and paying taxes instead of a drain on

unemployment benefits and or welfare..These were, and are still, good, hard working Patriotic men and women..It made sense then, and it makes even better economic sense now to keep these people working...They contibute much to our economy..

$25 billion is a drop in the bucket to these guys. Have they explained how the money will be spent? No matter how they spend it, the American public is going to have to buy the product in order for it to work. We cannot bailout every company that is going through bad times. How do you decide who to help?

Citibank just laid off 50,000 plus workers! Maybe they need a bailout plan. Bottom line here is we are going through an adjustment period where lots of people are going to get hurt and then rethink their priorities.

Where was Enrons' bailout? How many people were hurt in that debacle? I agree, we depend on the Big 3 but they need to run their course, obide by the laws and operate competitively just like all businesses. I cannot believe 40,000 to 50,000 for a truck. Lets get REAL.

I have no problem with Ford and GM receiving government assistance, as Chrysler did in the 70's, however Chrysler is now privately held and can do a lot of things to raise the money it needs to get through this crisis..go public and sell stock would be one of those options. Why woould the government give/loan money to a private business that they have NO legal control over? Private business does not have to tell the government anything except when filing their taxes.

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