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Myths about the Big 3 automakers

Posted Nov 21 2008, 02:41 PM by Kim Peterson
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The Wall Street Journal and U.S. News try some mythbusting about the Detroit automakers pressuring Congress for a bailout.

The automakers have returned home in failure, by the way, after pleading for help from lawmakers. Democrats said they wanted to see more evidence the companies had a turnaround plan in place, and asked to see a proposal next month. The inability to secure aid will increase the pressure on the companies' boards, the Journal says.

Now, about those myths:

1. Bankruptcy is, actually, an option. In fact, General Motors is already bankrupt, writes the Journal's Paul Ingrassia. It's out of cash and needs emergency help. All that's left is the official bankruptcy filing. Same for Chrysler.

2. Removing the chief won't help. The CEO of GM has said he didn't see the point of resigning, according to the Journal. Well, how about a fresh start after disastrous financial results and a plunging share price?

3. Bankruptcy equals death. It's actually a second chance, according to Ingrassia. The companies could get a fresh start by getting out of cumbersome contracts. And that doesn't just mean union obligations, either. We're talking about commitments with dealers, retirees and others.

4. Mandating bonus cuts or fuel-efficient cars is necessary. Customers are already pushing for more fuel-efficient cars, so the government doesn't need to make that a condition on automakers, Ingrassia writes. And executive pay really isn't much of a problem.

5. A GM-Chrysler merger guarantees succeess. The automakers are putting the best spin on what a merged company would look like, but there's no guarantee. GM has massive problems of its own, much less what it would bring on with Chrysler, Ingrassia writes.

6. The Big Three don't build small cars. They build them -- they aren't very good, according to U.S. News. Domestic cars have a miserable showing in the magazine's quality rankings, while Toyotas rule.

7. The Big Three don't build desirable cars. Think Ford Fusion. Or the Chevrolet Malibu, Cadillac CTS or Saturn Outlook, writes U.S. News' Rick Newman. But when gas prices soared, the companies didn't have much left to offer. GM and Ford can't compete with a good minivan, or a crossover, or a fun little car like the Mini Cooper, Newman writes.

8. Blame the guys asking for handouts. The CEOs of Chrysler and Ford are relatively new, and have to deal with bad decisions made by predecessors. GM's Rick Wagoner has been around for eight years and bears some responsibility. Still, GM's march to failure began even before Wagoner, Newman writes.

9. CEOs should fly coach. They couldn't handle any urgent phone calls that way, Newman writes, and they'd have to whisper to avoid the media and others listening in the next row. But if these CEOs are asking for the people's money, they should take the people's transportation, he writes.

10. Blame the unions. The unions added to corporate bloat, Newman writes, but they have made major concessions since then. If you want to point fingers, point at the expensive healthcare plans that retirees get. And unions are going to have to accept the fact that the cushy job and wage protections of the past cannot exist in today's world.

11. The automakers aren't trying. They've cut costs and closed factories. But they haven't made the major, earthshaking moves they need to, like killing off divisions or demanding universal healthcare, Newman writes.

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repubs dont want bailout because their states employ non-union foreign car companies, and when obama inherits this mess in january, he will look like a socialist for bailing out millions of americans in a mess that has been in the works for eight years, or actually just ignored by dubya who just gave handouts like candy...in the form of trickle down ceo bonuses, lack of accountability....

let's pass the buck to the next administration....

or

we could impeach bush cheney rove now....bunch of crooks....

let the Congressmen, Senators and all politicians in general take a 20%cut in salary and eleiminate all the perks. lets get real the middle class can no longer aford to support all this.

Im not writitng this to be politicaly correct but if they are hurting so bad... y dont they lower the cost of the vehicales.  My father worked for GM for 22 years.  They make about 10 to 15 thousand dollars a vehicel.  I mean why not bring the cost of cars down. show us that your struggling.  not struggling because the big guys arent going to get the bouns they where counting on for xmas.  vettes are still running you about 70k....trucks 40k...i mean hell your that bad off knock about 5 10 grand off and show me. Think about it.. when a store is getting ready to go out of buisness,  dont the lower the cost of there goods to try and make some money.  Gm hasnt moved on there prices.  Yeah they gave people employee discount. big whoop.  Here is another idea.. instead of giving the money to the auto makers why not give it to the american people...we then by a car and they still get the money.  Lol just a thought

I have been in the car business for 30+ years as a dealer.  I have seen good times and bad, but the current situation is not about quality or foresight. This is all related to the collapse of the financial markets. It's not about building fuel efficient cars...6 months ago, with gas prices hovering around $3.00, the 3 top selling vehicles in the world were the full size Chevy, Ford and Dodge pickups --and nothing else was even close. In the last 5 years, every new model the imports came out with touted "bigger engines"... "more power"..."more luxury"-- just like everyone else, because THAT'S what the consumer was BUYING. No manufacturer sets out to build something that people don't want--they are totally market driven.  The top selling passenger car is the Toyota Camry (available with a 300 HP engine also), but it doesn't sell 15% of the volume that any one of the full size trucks do.  The Toyota Tundra and Nissan Titan PU's do not get as good of fuel mileage as the Chevy, Ford or Dodge...go ask anyone that owns them. The industry was selling at an all time record pace 6 months ago with $3 gas...if the problem is lack of fuel efficient models as all the politicians are saying, then sales should be booming again with fuel prices at the lowest level in 3 years. The problem is the total collapse of the credit markets and the fear engendered in the consumers by seeing 30-50% of their 401's, pension funds & savings disappear in the last 3 months. The Big 3 CANNOT raise money at this time from the sources that have always been used: selling stock, selling bonds & short term borrowing from commercial banks. Their stock price is so low that it prevents raising meaningful amounts of capital. There is no market for their bonds--last week GM bonds were being discounted so deeply that they were yielding 150% +. The big commercial banks are NOT lending money to them...period. The mfr's. finance divisions (gmac, fmc, cfc) cannot raise money for lending and have pretty much been out of business since the first of Oct.--they will only make loans to customers with credit scores above 700 points--"A" credit only...and even then at higher rates than banks, so in effect, they are not making any loans. This has cost them even more sales as 20-35% of the new car sales go to people with "B" credit in the 620-680 range. That's what irritates me so much when I watched the congressional hearings last week...all those pompous politicians sitting up there blasting the auto industry, lecturing them that this is their own fault for not being foresighted enough to anticipate the problems, and not building "the vehicles that consumers demand".  I just wish that one of the auto guys would have had the balls to ask Chris Dodd or Shelby (the chairman and vice chairman of the Senate Banking and Finance Committee) where their forsight was the last 8 years when they deregulated the financial and credit markets that have brought our economy to the very brink of collapse. Instead, they all want their 5 minutes on camera show they can go back home and brag to their voters about how tough they were on those Detroit big shots. My greatest concern in all this is that we, as a nation, are rapidly becoming a consumer nation, without industrial capacity. History has shown that when a country ceases to "produce" goods and export them to others, they cease to be an economic power. We have already lost our steel, electronics and textile industries and if we lose our automotive industry it takes with it many other smaller manufacturers along with it.

97 Dodge ram, All original Drivrtrain and paint 237600 miles, one set of spark plugs burns zero oil, 1988 jeep cherokee 147500 miles didn't touch it either,1987 jeep cherokee 225000 miles beat the snot out of it, 2000 pontiac sunfire 176000 miles,1994 chevy cavelier 180100 miles. All american cars all original engines and transmissions...All I have or have had resently. Not one left me stranded. So, unless you own one, don't believe all the B.S. about how bad they are. The Big 3 have been building excellent cars for a long time, Just bought an 07 4x4 Suburban last year and I love it too...19.3 MPG with all of us in it. By the way, I have 4 kids a wife and a dog, plus I use it to haul heavy construction equipment and leasure equipment, so Yes I do need it. I will not buy anything but Domestic Big 3 vehicles, because they are alot better then all the NEW YORK 30 Year old AUTO MEDIA types would like you to believe. TOYOTA TUNDRA TRUCK OF THE YEAR...Catostrophic engine failures, tailgates collapseing, transmissions that shutter and violently shack the whole vehicle, Brake problems...and it get truck of the year???? WOW, if that would have been a chevy, ford or a dodge the media would have crusified them. NO MEDIA BIAS THERE ....Right! USA PROUD...

It's time for Washington, Management and Labor to work together.  They all have plenty of blame.  If the US is going to compete, all three have to understand it is not about tomorrow, it's about the next 50 years!!  Way too much short term thinking and way too much selfishness from all three groups.  

This has to happen.  The sooner the better for everyone.  Manufacturing, mining and farming are the only real value creation activities on the planet, we can live without hair salons, brokers of any kind, and lawyers, but not food, homes, and consumable goods!  Notice the majority of people opposed to this action are either fortune-tied to foreign competitors or in 'finance'.  Our government gave freely to businesses that couldn't control their costs in businessses that only move money around and skim some for themselves, yet balk about loaning money to a value creating sector of the economy.  Any the questions about how GM / Ford / Chrysler got there?  Can they answer their own question regarding our national debt?  Talk about being responsible for the position you are in!  And let's make the politicians fly commercial.  I wouild like to see the savings on my tax bill.  Only the workers have a fair voice in this situation, the rest of the world is trying to manipulate the situation for gain.

I work at a Ford dealership. I am not kidding when I say that 1 out of every 2 customers STILL wants information on a truck or SUV. When gas was $4 a gallon, they panicked. People who were $15-20K upside-down on their year-old F-250 wanted out, and into a Focus or a Fusion. It isn't that I don't want to sell vehicles (trust me, I do!!), but in honesty, I had to tell people to do the math--how many gallons of gas would it take to make up that $20K? It would not be in their best interests to trade at that time. Now that gas is $1.75 per gallon, a LOT of people have become complacent again, and they are once again demanding their big vehicles. Detroit is certainly to blame for a lot of things (when I heard about them arriving at Capitol Hill in private jets, I wanted to smack 'em up the side of the head! What in blazes were they thinking??? It is tough enough fighting the sleazy car salesperson image! Been doing this a long time, and I know how to do it the right way--I also sleep just fine at night!) Until the vast majority of the people in this country start to GET IT and downsize their lives ---who needs more STUFF??!???--this country's economy will be in ruins. So blame Detroit for part of this mess, but, America, look in the mirror.

The BIGGEST Myth of them all is that the tax payers are not helping the imports.  The imports would not be building in the US if it wasn't for the state and federal tax credits and help they are given.  I own a Ford and a Chrysler Dodge dealership in Ala.  Here alone we have four import manufacturers that all have received at least 1 billion  each from the state and federal government to build here.  We just lost 2 others to Tenn.  VW and Nissan both choose to build in Tenn becasue they were given $400 milllion more to go there.

As for economical, quality cars just log onto www.ford.co.uk.  The US government has stopped Ford from building these vehicle here in the US.  Our warranty work is down 87% - this is a tremendous statement toward the quality work.  The Ford Fusion, Focus, Edge, Mustang, Tarus all are quality built automobiles.

There's a bigger issue here: the politicans have allowed most manufacturing jobs to go to China, where the pollution standards are nil, and labor costs are near zero.  If the wages get too high for the educated middle class, bring in some low cost workers from India.  And keep those entry level jobs below the minimum wage with cheap Mexican labor.  Let the speculators take the rest of middle class wealth by allowing speculators to drive oil to $147 a barrel.  And let's not regulate the debt market, gosh, there won't be any million dollar bonuses on wall street.  

The Washington elite govern for the rich.  We've lost government by the people and for the people.  The auto companies are just a minor stage play in this theater.  Time for a revolution.

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