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Myths about the Big 3 automakers

Posted Nov 21 2008, 02:41 PM by Kim Peterson
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The Wall Street Journal and U.S. News try some mythbusting about the Detroit automakers pressuring Congress for a bailout.

The automakers have returned home in failure, by the way, after pleading for help from lawmakers. Democrats said they wanted to see more evidence the companies had a turnaround plan in place, and asked to see a proposal next month. The inability to secure aid will increase the pressure on the companies' boards, the Journal says.

Now, about those myths:

1. Bankruptcy is, actually, an option. In fact, General Motors is already bankrupt, writes the Journal's Paul Ingrassia. It's out of cash and needs emergency help. All that's left is the official bankruptcy filing. Same for Chrysler.

2. Removing the chief won't help. The CEO of GM has said he didn't see the point of resigning, according to the Journal. Well, how about a fresh start after disastrous financial results and a plunging share price?

3. Bankruptcy equals death. It's actually a second chance, according to Ingrassia. The companies could get a fresh start by getting out of cumbersome contracts. And that doesn't just mean union obligations, either. We're talking about commitments with dealers, retirees and others.

4. Mandating bonus cuts or fuel-efficient cars is necessary. Customers are already pushing for more fuel-efficient cars, so the government doesn't need to make that a condition on automakers, Ingrassia writes. And executive pay really isn't much of a problem.

5. A GM-Chrysler merger guarantees succeess. The automakers are putting the best spin on what a merged company would look like, but there's no guarantee. GM has massive problems of its own, much less what it would bring on with Chrysler, Ingrassia writes.

6. The Big Three don't build small cars. They build them -- they aren't very good, according to U.S. News. Domestic cars have a miserable showing in the magazine's quality rankings, while Toyotas rule.

7. The Big Three don't build desirable cars. Think Ford Fusion. Or the Chevrolet Malibu, Cadillac CTS or Saturn Outlook, writes U.S. News' Rick Newman. But when gas prices soared, the companies didn't have much left to offer. GM and Ford can't compete with a good minivan, or a crossover, or a fun little car like the Mini Cooper, Newman writes.

8. Blame the guys asking for handouts. The CEOs of Chrysler and Ford are relatively new, and have to deal with bad decisions made by predecessors. GM's Rick Wagoner has been around for eight years and bears some responsibility. Still, GM's march to failure began even before Wagoner, Newman writes.

9. CEOs should fly coach. They couldn't handle any urgent phone calls that way, Newman writes, and they'd have to whisper to avoid the media and others listening in the next row. But if these CEOs are asking for the people's money, they should take the people's transportation, he writes.

10. Blame the unions. The unions added to corporate bloat, Newman writes, but they have made major concessions since then. If you want to point fingers, point at the expensive healthcare plans that retirees get. And unions are going to have to accept the fact that the cushy job and wage protections of the past cannot exist in today's world.

11. The automakers aren't trying. They've cut costs and closed factories. But they haven't made the major, earthshaking moves they need to, like killing off divisions or demanding universal healthcare, Newman writes.

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Kudos to Kim Peterson who got it almost completely right.  #1 above is the most suspect, however.  Can Peterson or Ingrassia guaranty that a bankrupt GM would get secondary financing to come out of bankruptcy?  Many experts have questioned if that would be available.  Without it, GM goes Chapter 7, which is an ugly proposition for the auto industry and our whole country.  

A few things she left out: 1) Washington is apparently filled with hypocrits who are perfectly willing to nearly force banks to take TARP monies, with no strings attached, while not being willing to give a pittence (comparatively) to businesses that actually make things and actually need the money.  Suddenly Washington looks like a bunch of bankers to me!  2) Politics has a lot to do with why Detroit didn't get their money.  Republicans, seeing that the other 'bailout' isn't working and knowing they voted for it along with Dems want some breathing room from further bailouts.  Dems are worried about the same thing, but realize that they can't duck it for very long.  Expect them to give Detroit the money in January or February.  And yes, they are gutless wonders.  3) Detroit 'lied' about how quickly they needed the money, and they probably can hold on into early or mid 2009 without it.  However, that's no reason to make them wait until the last minute. 4) Politicians are taking the exact opposite stance on Detroit than they did on New York City.  $700B wasn't needed to shore up banks, and still hasn't been fully spent.  It did, however, build confidence in banks.  Washington should be leant Detroit $25B in a back-room deal to avoid the opposite effect - sowing fear - that they now have dealt to Detroit.  Is anyone going to buy a domestic car anytime soon now that we all think Detroit is going bankrupt?  The stupidity of this circus should infuriate everyone.  Washington isn't giving any help to Detroit, but they are killing confidence in one of our largest and most important industries.  Amazing!!

Excellent commentary Dave from Grand Rapids!!!

If only the politicians in Washington would read it.  Nah, they wouldn't understand what their arrogance and stupidity are doing to this country.

let's lay off CONGRESS and take away it's benefits. let those congress people live on unemployment and try to get ahead. unless they have already lined their pockets with taxpayer monies, hmmm. at least the auto execs purport to use their companys' money traveling in their corporate jet. wonder how many congress people drive to work in a 30 mpg domestic auto in the carpool lane? we have 535 too many people leeching off the taxpayer teat

Like it or not, we (the US taxpayer, which includes Washington politicians through our vote and the auto workers themselves) are going to have to bail out the US auto industry.  Current economic conditions don't bode well for having another 2 million people out of work; failing to make their mortgage payments, getting deeper into their credit card debt and unable to pay for their employee-discounted autos, exacerbating an already bad situation.

Congress knows that !  They will act to do something...it doesn't matter whether they take it out of the left pocket or the right pocket. So, it's not a matter of TARP or new money.  You can bet, though, that Congress will make sure they're positioned to take as much credit as they possibly can for what they do.

In this lame-duck session, they are gonna make sure of a couple of things:

1.  There's no blame for anything they do between now and Jan 20,

2.  The new administration gets the greatest credit that can be taken for the outcomes, in the interim and post Jan 20.  

So, they're willing to let the auto makers squirm for a while before they act.  That way, there will be an historical record of what a "wonderful" thing they did (made the senior auto industry mangement mend their ways) while saving the day (protected the working class).

Unfortunately, the markets may continue to suffer until something (anything!) is agreed upon.  The politicians will sacrifice the next couple of months of further pain, if necessary, to ensure the knights in shining armor (the new government majority) get the credit.

Ideally, any action would most likely be received with a sense of relief and markets would bottom, thus achieving positive results in the short term (read: stabilize until Jan 20).  If markets are indeed oversold, they will recover on their own and the economy can start healing.  So, the certainty of further government intervention next year (irrespective of market forces) coupled with any short term action, will give Washington something to hang their hats on...and, the metrics needed to validate the need for big brother.

It's a shame that what needs to be done (whatever it is) must conditioned on the best political outcomes before action is taken.

Why does the media not dwell on the congressional perks? how long do they serve to get a pension what the pension is (at tax payers expence) as well as  travel, medical,etc. full disclosure of gains from lobbiests, lets gut the pork. Add it up they walk away much wealthier than when they came to office

Dave is pretty much right on.  I'm against bail outs - but since we gave greedy bankers 700 Billion with no strings, and another 2 trillion in loans, what is different with the auto industry?  Nothing.

Don't forget another 100 some billion to AIG.  The Congress was falling all over themselves to give the Bankers money - so now they want to pretend that they are fiscally responsible and require a business plan!  What good bankers Congress has suddenly become!

There will be be an auto bail out.  They are just trying to make themselves look intellegent.  The bottom line is we have let Banking, Insurance etc. mix and let other industries become too big.  Break them all up - its called anti trust.  The smaller companies will compete and capitalism will work the way it is supposed to.  

When companies become too big to fail, merge with or force smaller companies out of business, MONOPOLIES, run by dictator type CEO's become greedy and do things that cause their businesses to fail.  We just don't let them because they are too big to fail!  Social Democrats and Social Repubilcans - all the same.  This is a sad state for the USA to be in.

Just think about it.....$25 billion will keep the Big 3 (and 3 million people) at work, and the government will get a lot of it back via income taxes, sales taxes, etc.

$300 billion (so far) has gone to the Wall Strett shysters, and it hasn't done anything other than pay bonuses, pay for buyouts, and "stabilize" the banking system (if what we have in place right now is considered "stable")

The $700 billion allocated this year is just a drop in the bucket.  Expect the Wall Street guys to come looking for another $700 billion next year.

The reason there is no demand is that nobody has any money.

I think we should try the "Trickle-Up Plan".......send everybody who files a 1040 next year a check for $25,000.   I am firmly convinced giving every teenager $25K for college, car payments, etc. will stimulate the economy more than giving billions to Wall Street, who will use it to feather their own portfolios, then knock themselves out hiding/sheltering it from the IRS.

Its ironic how everyone on this page (including me) agree the Big 3 "bailout" should, or has to happen, but all the media portrays is that "America" doesn't want money to go to them.

The big 3 need to make cars that are not junk,like most the now make.I'am 58 years old and when i was younger stuff made in Japan was junk now we make junk cars unlike Japan has been making.I also belong to a union but i'am sorry but when we get laid off for work we get nothing from the company unlike the auto workers who receive 75-80% of there pay,we also have to pay half of our health insurance,unlike the auto workers who pay nothing.Look at the Granam they made year after year and the heads went at 50,000 miles or the cars and trucks that the paint came off and they wonder why there sales go down every year.This makes me sad to see this happen but untill they get cost of labour down and they make cars just a good as Japan makes i see no hope long term.

YEAH, I SAY "Let's go for it!" Give them the money. SUDDENLY, U.S. ECONOMY CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT SOCIALIST MOVEMENT! THE GOVERNEMTN AND THE RICH ARE THE ONES LIKING IT THE MOST! HOW IRONIC!

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