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Posted Nov 10 2008, 02:02 PM by Minyanville
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Late last week, the following news story began circulating widely on the Internet and has begun to take on an epic, hysterical new life: "Dems Target Private Retirement Accounts."

The story's scary and misleading headline aside, there are some facts to consider:

A hearing was held on October 7 by Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller (D-CA) to look into the impact of the financial crisis on workers' retirement security. Please read Congressman Miller's opening remarks, because there is no mention in them whatsoever about confiscating retirement assets. Instead Congressman Miller mentioned in his remarks, and has long been an outspoken advocate of, 401k plan FEE reform, something those on Wall Street certainly have no small stake in, and a revenue stream that will be increasingly important to them.

So, where did this idea of 401k asset confiscation come from? Supposedly from Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, one of five witnesses who testified at the hearing. However, also among those testifying was Jerry Bramlett, CEO of BenefitStreet who, as the chief executive of a company that  provides advisor-sold 401k plan services, most certainly has a direct financial stake in seeing that the 401k never goes away.

As with all things that provoke hysteria, there is a tiny kernel of truth and plausibility to be found, but it is not the "confiscation" myth. Ghilarducci did indicate she was in favor of a Social Security Administration-run fund that would consist of 401k assets. But, rather than advocating they be forcibly confiscated, she suggested Congress act to allow workers to voluntarily exchange their plans for a "Guaranteed Retirement Account":

"Short term, I propose that since 401(k) accounts and the like are financial institutions -- the bank about where 38% of the workforce can intend to save for their retirement -- Congress let workers trade their 401(k) and 401(k) - type plan assets (perhaps valued at mid-August prices) for a Guaranteed Retirement Account composed of government bonds (earning a 3% return, adjusted for inflation)."

Ghilarducci proposes longer term the creation of a GRA and the scaling back of tax breaks for 401k-type of accounts. Nowhere in her testimony does she propose congress simply confiscate existing 401ks and mandate the elimination of 401k-type accounts. Nowhere.

Regardless of whether one agrees with Ghilarducci's proposals, it is a far cry from encouraging Congress to forcibly confiscate all 401k plan assets and dump them into a SSA-managed GRA. In fact, I would say that more than "being a far cry," it is materially inaccurate and purposefully designed to discredit her.
It is incredible to me that reporters don't bother to do even the barest minimum of research in reporting and spreading bizarre inaccuracies. It took me all of 10 minutes to "dig up the truth" about the Miller hearing and Ghilarducci. It is not as if Ghilarducci is some kind of secretive operative hiding in the dark shadows. Here is a link from an April article and interview in CNN Money magazine with Ghilarducci.

As well, she has a book out which was released last May: "When I'm Sixty-Four: The Plot against Pensions and the Plan to Save Them."

Again, to be explicit, Ghilarducci is not arguing for the confiscation of 401k's. She is proposing the abolition of the pre-tax contribution feature.

Socionomics of "Confiscation"

Regardless, none of this should be particularly surprising from a socionomics standpoint. This is part of the ongoing transition to a very dark wave of social mood that impacts all aspects of our lives; from our views on Wall Street and retirement to what defines luxury, our tastes in film, art and music.

Just as risk-seeking behavior, which exploded duriong the positive social mood turn, helped facilitate the birth of self-directed retirement plans and the death of defined pension plans, so too will negative social mood likely facilitate the death of self-directed plans as we know them, the re-valuation of savings over investment and the further divide between "savings" vs. "investment."

It is not out of the question that we eventually see some type of "forced savings" trigger so that self-directed plans would require a minimum contribution threshold be met, perhqaps based on mean income, to be eligible for self-direction and tax benefits, which would be rather ironic in that its intent will probably be to "rescue retirement investing" even as it elevates savings in status.

I am not saying I think this should happen, I am saying that I think this, or something like it, will happen.

But look, this should not be surprising for us. Wall Street as we knew it is gone. It is no more. That party is over. The past year and a half has been one long mural painted on a wall alluding to its inevitable destruction. Things are going to change dramatically. At the bottom, the very bottom, stock "investing" will seem as ridiculous to the vast majority of Americans as watching people play poker on television seems now.

Top Stocks blogging partner Todd Harrison is founder & CEO of Minyanville.com. This post was written by Minyanville Contributor Kevin Depew.

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Comments

 

George Millers main focus is on taxes that are not collected when 401k contributions are taken from workers salaries. This plus the fact that the 401k funds are not available for usage by the government for pork projects like the funds that are in the social security "cookie jar". The 401k funds are like finding the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow by the government.

Did you think they were going to let the baby boomers retire with fat bank accounts and pensions?? no way they had to get that money back into the ecomomy by cashing out the stock market now they are coming for your 401ks what do you think has been pumping up wall street this last decade anyhow? they are waiting like refugees under a un helocopter waiting for the next infusion of 401k  money, your money, so they can speculate the crap out of it.

Better dig in guys, it comin a lot faster than most think. There are a so many in this country that are just blind to what's happening and where it leading.

Mr. Harrison may have glossed over some essential ideas from Ms. Ghilarducci.   Though she did not suggest seizing present IRA,401k accounts, she did suggest new forced retirement savings (5% of earnings) run by social security admin.in which "workers" would be "obliged" to contribute to this guaranteed 3% retirement fund, so that "everyone" would be covered.

Apparently the "everyone" here would enclude non-workers which would be subsidised by the government to the tune of 600.00 per year.   The government , of course does not have that money,meaning the tax payers would be paying for these non-workers retirement as well as their own.   That's my take on it anyway.

This is incremental, "back door" socialism.   More tricks to avoid what should be obvious.     The average folks on the street just don't have the time or interest to study these things.    Using vague disconnected wording, avoiding any direct meaning whenever possible,  is how these politicians and social engineers work.

Maybe we should send Democrats in Congress to Buenos Aires.  All week long there have been long lines at the banks with people withdrawing money before the Argentinian Senate acts to affirm Kirschener's plan to confiscate 401K's.  People here know what "redistribution" means.  Unlike in previous years, most of this money taken out of Argentinian banks is apparently being deposited in Uruaguay banks but the message is the same:  people are voting with their feet---there is no confidence in the ability of this corrupt socialist govenrment to protect private assets.  It looks like Americans are in for a real surprise with the new administration and congress.

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do not tax the removal from 401k for citisens over 80

moneys will be spent and help !!!!

I don't think it will be too long now before we will be the USSA, remember the USSR? Socialist want to control the money,all of it.They want US to spread it around and with the likes of obama and all of the socialist in congress don't be surprised when it happens!!!!!

Ed, you are absolutely correct.  The starbucks generation wanted Barak and now they got him and with him the move to a socialist "re-distribution of wealth" fiscal policy.  They voted for Barak because he offered change and a "new beginning" but as the old saying goes "sometimes the cure is worse than the disease" and that could be the case here but only time will tell.

The one thing (among many) that the starbucks generation doesnt understand is having to earn what they get.  The starbucks generation and their "I want it now" attitude has as much to do with our economic woes as any bad decision made by any wall street exec.  The starbucks generation doesnt understand or even care about economic cycles as they only thing they really care about whether their cell phone can text and e-mail effortlessly.

In fact, everyone blames wall street for our economic woes and while it is true that wall street execs made quite a few bad decisions, the real culprits are those who signed home loan documents without knowing or even caring what a 2/28 Pay-Option ARM really was or even gave a second thought as to the ultimate cost of the loan and the consequences of default.  All they wanted was their high-end "dream" home as quickly as they could get it where they could put their 50" plasma TV, Bose stereo system and twin Sub "Z" in the kitchen with the Jag in the 2 1/2 car garage.  Of couse, when the 2/28 came due and it was time to pay to the piper, they couldnt and thus the blamed everyone but themselves; typical of the generation.

I give the Barak/Starbucks generation honeymoon a year though in that if Barak cant solve the economic crisis and "re-distribute wealth"  by this time next year the starbucks generation abandon him like they abandon jobs and responsibility.  

WELCOME TO OBAMA - PELOSI- REID LAND - I PREDICT THAT THE 52% THAT VOTED FOR OBAMA ARE NOT GOING TO BE VERY HAPPY IN ABOUT A YEAR OR LESS!!!!YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE - STUPIDY IS NOT A EXCUSE.

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