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China: Where 9% GDP growth is recession

Posted Oct 20 2008, 06:46 AM by Douglas McIntyre
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China's big stock index, the Shanghai Composite, has fallen from a 52-week high of over 6,000 to 1,974. Idiot math would say that is equivalent to the DJIA trading at 4,600. That may be a simpleton's view of the world, but the perspectives of the foolish as not always wrong.

China announced that its GDP grew only 9% in the third quarter. That number was supposed to be closer to 10%.

According to Reuters, "A gloomy outlook lies ahead after the third quarter, and concerns about the slowdown now outweigh concerns about inflation," said Chen Jinren, an analyst at Huatai Securities.

In the U.S. and Europe, a recession is still probably defined at two consecutive quarters of GDP shrinkage. In a world where 4% growth is burning up the track China's increase of 9% seems unattainable. But, in an economy which relies on rapid growth to build a middle class and huge industrial base, even a modest drop in a torrid quarterly improvement pattern probably spells significant problems.

The economic policy in China has been relatively simple. It uses its export might to bring citizens from rural parts of the county to work in factories and other places where exportable goods are produced. This has built a middle class that have bought everything from stocks to cars. Any slowing in the process of industrialization and increased wages throws the system into a cocked hat.

For the first time since China emerged as one of the three or four leading economies in the world it is facing a situation which is cannot easily fix. As a matter of fact, it cannot fix it at all. The government has used its surplus to subsidize oil prices which in turn has lubricated a huge transportation system. That surplus is based on a balance of trade which cannot be sustained if exports falter. They are about to fall off a cliff. The central government probably does not have a five year plan to cover that.

Top Stocks blogger Douglas A. McIntyre is an editor at 24/7 Wall St.

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Comments

 

you mentioned idiot math but overlooked idiot logic - certainly 9% gdp growth is a comedown when your expectation is higher but "fall off a cliff" ??? It's not something as simple as resentful envy is it? It's surely is not a reasoned assessment of a vibrant market-driven economy - as compared, for example, with the current state of the USSA - the United Socialist States of America

I have re-read the article and am disappointed in myself for contributing a comment - the entire article is naive nonsense with the only redeeming feature being the self-aware use of the the words "idiot", "simpleton", and "foolish"

LOL shanghai, right both times!!!!  It can happen to anyone in the heat of the moment, trying to respond intelligently to hype and shallow pseudo-analysis . . .

Why is is that positive comments abuot the USA Economy are always deleted?

you all are missing the point, the article is clear on what the problems are.  if you base your economy on contiued high growth, and that growth for what ever reason slows down, you are going to be in trouble.  In this case very large trouble.  you have taken a large number of people from a village economy to a technical based economy.  the only way you can keep the people coming into the cities happy is to have a job waiting for them.  when they get there and there are no jobs, and companies are laying off.  what do you think is going to happen??  maybe civil unrest???  Look at the math again, understand what is at stake for every one there.  many people have borrowed heavily to by stocks, now that those stocks are worth a lot less.  what do you think is going to happen???

Wait until Chaina sees its 4th quarter- I  predict about 5-7 % as the U.S. gets deeper into its financial mess. And the 1st quarter of 2009 may even be lower than that.

So if 10% is what they count on- they are in bad shape.

The really sad news is that they own us

You're right. They do own us. And now they're going to come looking for all that money we borrowed...plus interest. And what's going to happen when we can't pay?

It's the American Way, or is the way of the world.  Spend, buy, live on credit.

Whatever happened to if you can’t afford to pay with cash, you can’t afford it??

I'm 37. I grew up in a time where cash was king. Credit was only for a car or a house. This was only if the bank was 99 percent sure you could pay it back. Now I do not have any cash in my wallet. My wallet is dominated by the plastic. It is the new world we live in if we like it or not. Somewhere things got out of control and nobody stopped it. I see all the greed and selfishness in the world everyday. Now the world is linked together and America's issues reverberate around the world. Yes China, the Saudi's and many others own this country. We are the ones that will eventually give it all away and DC is in the drivers seat. All of DC!!!

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