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What's the bailout actually buying?

Posted Sep 25 2008, 01:00 PM by Kim Peterson
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The New York Times tries to answer two of the biggest questions in the bailout proposal. Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson wants to spend $700 billion to buy toxic assets. OK, but how much are these assets actually worth? And how much beyond that will the government pay?

All of these assets are tied to individual mortgages, the Times says. And no one knows exactly how much they're worth. Look at one example: two years ago, Bear Stearns bought from lenders nearly 3,000 mortgages, which had an average size of $450,000.

But these mortgages were "liar loans," the bizarre loans made without adequate checks into the borrower's incomes or savings, the Times says. And about 60% of them were from California, Florida and Arizona -- three states where home values have plummeted recently. 

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that these loans stink to high heaven. And 23% of them are now delinquent or in foreclosure. 

It gets even more complicated. Bear Stearns bundled the loans into 37 different kinds of bonds. And Wall Street takes bonds like that and bundles them again into CDOs, or collateralized debt obligations.

That's the kind of "asset" that Treasury wants to buy. Pity the miserable Treasury worker that must sort through this mess to try and find some value. 

And here's the $700 billion quandary: The banks want the Treasury to pay more for these assets than their market value. And some argue that the Treasury should overpay, because that would inject new capital into the system. But overpaying also sacrifices more taxpayer dollars. 

So to answer my original questions:

How much are these assets actually worth? No one knows.

How much beyond that will the government pay? That's being debated right now.

 

Comments

 

There is a difference between intrinsic value and market value. Intrinsic value is what you would get if you bought and held until the dust settled. Market value is greatly depressed because there is no demand right now, and there is no demand because the uncertainty is so high. The gov't can pay more than market value and less than intrinsic value at the same time! Thus, there will be no cost to the taxpayer, and probably a gain. Furthermore, the uncertainty will be removed, so the markets can then return to normal. This is a win-win for everyone. It's just that the gov't is the only investor large enough to make it happen. There is no "bail out" here, the gov't is just playing the role of a market maker when no one else can.

Is there really some kind of crisis in finicials?  Who knows? the Prez says there is but he lied to us about the weapons of mass destruction.  Why believe him now?  Jim Cramer says there is ,but he is just repeating heresay.  I do not know what the truth is. Until I know the truth I can not support any bail out.

I wish someone could explain to me why this whole thing is touted to "help" those in trouble.  I am not in finance and I know little about economics, but it seems like the only way these loans (especially that highlighted 23%) have value is if they are foreclosed on.  To the untrained eye, the whole deal really seems to directly hurt the normal person in trouble and help the poorly run, monster companies that are owned by the rich (as the few most wealthy Americans own most of the stock.)  If you want people on board, explain how average people will benefit.  Because to us, it looks like our taxes will go up so the wealthy can keep their businesses.

My neighbour bought his house some three years ago now he is scared what the interest rate will be after his sub prime period runs out

He said that he does not worry much at this time since he has two years to decide

what he wants to do

I think that this forecloser and bailout business wil go on for years to come

Clearly the bankers got themselves in this fix and they should get themselves out.  It seems the banks have not held themselves true to the starndards against which they scrutinize their borrowers.  This perdicament is precisely why they want to see "reserves" on the mortgage application.  Now that their borrowers "reserves" are exhausted, where are their reserves?  They may never have had them.  If they did, they have been paid to management for moving paper and apparently, junk paper at that.

While it is alleged that the "whole" of the financial system is in jeopardy most can only rely on the "bought-and-paid-for" media for information.  We are going to hear what they want us to hear.  The government, need we remind, them, is you, myself and the rest of the citizens, not the financial institutions, the nation's financial health, or even the bankers.  Letting things fall and crash will straighten things out, all-be-it painfully.  We are still here after the great depression.  Most came out of it wiser, more responsbile with their finances and not debt-dependent.  Seems like we need to get back to those sound principals.

The mess started when the same people trying to fix the problem created it. Congress forced lenders to make loans to persons who certainly coud not afford it. When unemployment and welfare become "income", well, somebody pay gotta pay in the long run. The run be done ended. We need a bailout, but it ain't in the banking industry.

So the big banks and deal makers get bailed out to prevent a domino-type crash effecting the average American....so they say.I believe all the high execs making over500   thousand  should take a hit especially if they get bonuses. That is what any worker,storekeeper,professional would experience.Void any employment contract that guarentees options,stock,etc. until there  is a profit after payback.Not another Enron,or Countrywide execs with golden parachutes.That's the reality of business.

LET  ALL THESE PEOPLE ON WALL STREET  SINK....THEYK NEW ALL THE MORTAGES THAT WERE GIVEN OUT     WHAT THEY   WERE.......ALSO HATS OFF TO ALL YOU REALTORS   FOR HELPING YOUR CLIENTS OUT...YOU ALSO KNEW.NOW GO OUT AND GET A REAL JOB.....LET THEM ALL SINK NOW   AND SEE HOW US COMMON FOLK FEEL....AND THE CEO ARE ALL LAUGHTING AT US

The Fed will not gain anything but loss unless some idiot inflated the value of the asset just like the mess we've got in.The real income for the CDO is from the interest the homeowner pay and share by all parties involve. Do you think those people that can't afford to put up a downpayment can make everybody in Wall St  rich.

The bail out money should be use to create more jobs and hence the economy.

Clearly this bailout will support all of those Loan LIARS, I do not have a home loan as I cant afford the mortgage, I demand the governmet bail me out as I was smart enough to not lie about my earnings!!!

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