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Preposterous but true: Apple's worth more than Citigroup

Posted Apr 16 2008, 07:57 PM by Charley Blaine
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I'm not making this up. Apple's market capitalization is bigger than Citigroup's. The actual numbers at today's close were $135 billion for Apple and $123 billion for Citigroup.

This fact, which came courtesy of Barry Ritholtz's blog The Big Picture, struck me as, well, preposterous. Check these most basic of comparisons:

Sales: Apple's sales for its 2007 fiscal year: $24 billion. Citigroup's 2007 revenue: $147 billion.

Assets: Apple's assets at the end of its 2007 fiscal year: $25.3 billion. Citigroup's year-end 2007 assets: $2.2 trillion. Yep, trillion.

The relative values, of course, make sense, especially when we look at one more measure.

Annual profit: Apple earned $3.5 billion in fiscal 2007, which ended on Sept. 29. Citigroup earned $3.6 billion in 2007.

Profit for the most recent quarter: Apple earned $1.58 billion in its most recent quarter, which ended on Dec. 29. Citigroup lost $9.8 billion for the fourth quarter of 2007. It reports first-quarter earnings on Friday.

Citigroup is paying -- a lot -- for the subprime mortgage mess and for a bad bet that becoming the world's largest financial services company would mean ever-growing profits forever. Fact is, Citi's stock peaked at $58 in August 2000 (yes, August 2000) and is down 59% since then.

While Apple's stock was battered by the dot-com bust and bottomed in April 2003 at $6.56, it is up 2,200% since then.

But what Barry didn't put in his note was this:

This is the second time Apple's market cap has exceeded Citigroup's since December. Apple was, in fact, worth more than Citi for roughly two weeks starting in mid-December. That's when Apple's shares were in the midst of a major run that produced an intraday high of $202.96 on Dec. 27. Citigroup was, of course, sinking. On Dec. 31, Apple's market cap was about $174 billion, and Citi's was $155 billion.

Both stocks really crumbled this winter, which allowed Citigroup to take the lead back on Jan. 23 in the aftermath of Societe Generale's multi-billion loss from bad trading.  Apple finished the day at $112 billion. Citi was at $138 billion. (This is really a big-whoop number. Citi's market cap was $290 billion at the end of 2006.) 

Apple took the lead back from Citi again on March 13.

Three final points:

Point 1: Citi's market cap bottomed at about $98 billion when the stock hit $18.62 on March 17. It's up 25% since then. But Apple is up 29% since Feb. 26 when the stock hit $119.15, producing a market cap of just under $105 billion.

Point 2: Google's market cap, now about $143 billion, has been larger than Citigroup's every day since the end of October. And this even though Google fell nearly 45% between early November and mid-March.

Point 3: Would anybody in his right mind invest in Citi again? Maybe. The Federal Reserve did rescue Bear Stearns, and Citi would definitely be a bank that the Fed would say is too big to fail. And the recent stock chart for Citi says that, if the stock can stay above that $18.62 low, it might be a good longer-term bet. 

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I see alot of anger and hatred towards Citi but guys Do Not forget the fact the stock is still trading 50% lower than the market value. We all know ultimately it' ll go up a few dollars. Im willing to take that risk depending what's the market actual reaction would be after It's 1st qtr report and write downs. Could be a your nice long term investment (but not from a dividend's point of view)

I took my 1st ever withdrawal from my 401K and invest in Visa (V) and suggest you all to look into it.

You guys sound like you want Citibank to fail. Yes they have $2.2 trillion in assets. What are their liabilities? Chuck fails to mention that. Their liabilities are $2.1 trillion. Their equity as of the last balance sheet is only $114 billion. Of course Apple's equity is only $14.5 billion, so his point is still valid. Citibank has more then 200 million customer accounts in over 100 countries. You think FDIC can cover just the US part of that? Furthermore they have 374,000 employees. You want all those people to lose their jobs? So yes they are too big to fail. I hate bailouts as much as anyone, but at certain times they are a neccessary evil.

Looking forward to seeing answer to Geoffrey A (Posted 04.17.08 12:08 AM)

It's funny that Democrats blame George Bush for everything when they fail to give us viable candidates.  George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush were never popular.  But the Democrats put Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry against them!  Any moderate Democrat could have beaten them, but Democrats want to make a statement in the primaries rather than vote for someone who has a chance to win.  They have won three elections in the last 40 years and are not mature enough to take responsibility for their failures.  They would rather blame the other candidate even though there are more Democrats in the country than Republicans.  Grow up, Democrats.  

A real shame, some of these views. Still proud to be an American and I make under 40k. When I pay my electricity bill I don't complain at how high it is. I simply remember that I'm watching an occasional DVD, using my AC to keep cool on hot days and have a choice of hot or cold water. I've seen pics of children in Darfur drinking water from mud.

Fact is I'm not affected that much by what Citi does or any other company. I don't buy things that I can't pay for. My credit usage is under a thousand and I cover my bills. I tighten the belt when needed and if I can I don't give my money to companies that abuse people that have little.

I'm at the age where I can deny myself rather than walk into a store I view as irresponsible on the world stage.

As for Timmy, seems strange you have so much to say about the down-turn here and how terrible our nation is. Question is why you are wasting your time at this crummy American media site?

We're not going to recover from 8 years of Bush. He's done so much damage in so little time that we're well over the cliff. And McCain will pick up right where Bush left off - with nice corporate welfar that allows outfits like CitiGroup to avoid any sort of financial sanity. No matter how badly they manage their money, there's a Republican in the wing waiting to bail them out. Expect the economy to go into a tailspin and stay down. America's peak is right behind us.

Russel,   You need to read both Benjamin Graham"s books:  "Security Analysis" & "The Intelligent Investor", Also Jermy Siegel's :" Stocks for the Long Term"; Ken haugen (Can't recall the titles, but he has persuasive i.e documented ,researched theories).  That should help you for Value Analysis. Oh, of course all of Buffett. Good luck, JPJ.

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