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Preposterous but true: Apple's worth more than Citigroup

Posted Apr 16 2008, 07:57 PM by Charley Blaine
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I'm not making this up. Apple's market capitalization is bigger than Citigroup's. The actual numbers at today's close were $135 billion for Apple and $123 billion for Citigroup.

This fact, which came courtesy of Barry Ritholtz's blog The Big Picture, struck me as, well, preposterous. Check these most basic of comparisons:

Sales: Apple's sales for its 2007 fiscal year: $24 billion. Citigroup's 2007 revenue: $147 billion.

Assets: Apple's assets at the end of its 2007 fiscal year: $25.3 billion. Citigroup's year-end 2007 assets: $2.2 trillion. Yep, trillion.

The relative values, of course, make sense, especially when we look at one more measure.

Annual profit: Apple earned $3.5 billion in fiscal 2007, which ended on Sept. 29. Citigroup earned $3.6 billion in 2007.

Profit for the most recent quarter: Apple earned $1.58 billion in its most recent quarter, which ended on Dec. 29. Citigroup lost $9.8 billion for the fourth quarter of 2007. It reports first-quarter earnings on Friday.

Citigroup is paying -- a lot -- for the subprime mortgage mess and for a bad bet that becoming the world's largest financial services company would mean ever-growing profits forever. Fact is, Citi's stock peaked at $58 in August 2000 (yes, August 2000) and is down 59% since then.

While Apple's stock was battered by the dot-com bust and bottomed in April 2003 at $6.56, it is up 2,200% since then.

But what Barry didn't put in his note was this:

This is the second time Apple's market cap has exceeded Citigroup's since December. Apple was, in fact, worth more than Citi for roughly two weeks starting in mid-December. That's when Apple's shares were in the midst of a major run that produced an intraday high of $202.96 on Dec. 27. Citigroup was, of course, sinking. On Dec. 31, Apple's market cap was about $174 billion, and Citi's was $155 billion.

Both stocks really crumbled this winter, which allowed Citigroup to take the lead back on Jan. 23 in the aftermath of Societe Generale's multi-billion loss from bad trading.  Apple finished the day at $112 billion. Citi was at $138 billion. (This is really a big-whoop number. Citi's market cap was $290 billion at the end of 2006.) 

Apple took the lead back from Citi again on March 13.

Three final points:

Point 1: Citi's market cap bottomed at about $98 billion when the stock hit $18.62 on March 17. It's up 25% since then. But Apple is up 29% since Feb. 26 when the stock hit $119.15, producing a market cap of just under $105 billion.

Point 2: Google's market cap, now about $143 billion, has been larger than Citigroup's every day since the end of October. And this even though Google fell nearly 45% between early November and mid-March.

Point 3: Would anybody in his right mind invest in Citi again? Maybe. The Federal Reserve did rescue Bear Stearns, and Citi would definitely be a bank that the Fed would say is too big to fail. And the recent stock chart for Citi says that, if the stock can stay above that $18.62 low, it might be a good longer-term bet. 

Comments

 

Way to go Apple.  Luv U!

Citibank has alienated its customers.  When you get a bad rap with your clients or customers you will pay in the end including this one

With citi's assets being 100x that of Apple, and their annual earnings being equal, why is citi's marketcap equal to Apple?

If some other entity purchased 100% of all citi stock for its marketcap of about $123B, then simply sold off all of citi's $2.2T in assets, the buyer would then see 2200-123=$2T of capital gain.

Am I missing something?

Is the stock market really telling us that citi is carrying an expected net negative earnings value of $2T in total?

That's all right, take my hard earned dollars and bail them out. Is this how a true democracy works? Who is going to prop my business up if I make bad decisions that cause it to fail. I guess we can start calling this country the  U.S of the U.S.S.R.!

Talk about another bubble in the stock market. It really doen't matter since the US markets are rigged and not allowed to trade freely. Then again the US is more of a police state then a democracy. Why do Americans hate free markets and democracy? Wouldn't  want to live in unfree country like the US. I love fredom, peace,democracy and free markets all of which the US does not have. The elites have sold you Americans out and the USD is proof. Enjoy your depression.

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Starting out in new endevour (finances/financial) , expelled from FORD MOTOR CO. Have completed Series 6 & 63, so far. What's a GREAT book to read/follow or get advice from?  

If I make a bad bet and invest everything I have in this stock and then I lose it all .... do you think the government will come in and say we don't want you to fail, here is all your money back??????????? Is the government not supposed to be the people?? Is it not OUR money they are giving these rich people and rich businesses so they can stay rich ???? The rich get richer and the poor get poorer and now the government is going to make sure it stays that way !!!!!!

Why would the Fed say citi is to big to fail? if it fail it fail. Now what would happen if the Fed does not step in. Business fail all the time. That is the risk we take isn't it

when we go into business. If the government saves one it should save all.It not fair to use tax dollars to save a failing business.

The Bush Administration has ruined this country.  Let's be accountable for our actions if you voted for George W. Bush in 2000 you should get a pass because no one could have known how bad he was going to be.  BUT if you voted for him in 2004 you should have to send at least one of your children to Iraq and loose 50% of your assets.  You voted for this dip $*#t now pay for your mistake!

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