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Has the market really bottomed? Maybe. Perhaps.

Posted Apr 04 2008, 10:55 PM by Charley Blaine
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There are enormous amounts of chatter about whether the markets have bottomed.

So, what's the evidence?

The market itself. Down as much as 18% in January from its Oct. 9, 2007 all-time closing high, the Dow Jones Industrial Average's loss has been trimmed to 11%. The Standard & Poor's 500 Index, briefly down 20% on March 17 from October in the turmoil over Bear Stearns, is now off 12.4% from its October peak. And the Nasdaq Composite Index's loss from a peak on Oct. 31 has shrunk from 25% on March 17 to 17% on Friday. OK, let's turn the thought around. The Dow is up 8% from its lows in January. The S&P 500 and the Nasdaq are both up 9% and 10% off their lows on March 17. Lastly, the S&P 500 moved above its 50-day moving average on March 24, briefly dipped under it and has moved above it again. Moreover, the moving average has started to rise for the first time since November.

The Federal Reserve. Ben Bernanke & Gang have made it clear they won't allow the financial system to collapse. That was the result the Fed and many on Wall Street had feared would happen if Bear Stearns had been forced to file for bankruptcy protection. Instead, Bear Stearns has agreed to be acquired by JPMorgan Chase.

It doesn't look like any more Wall Street firms are going to collapse. Lehman Bros. was the likeliest candidate for a big problem and got through the week in one piece. I admit, however, that, in the wonderful world of Wall Street, you never know. There are worries about non-Wall Street financial institutions, specifically Washington Mutual, which looked like it was being raided by short sellers on Friday.

Tech stocks are starting to move higher. Google hit a low of $412.11 on March 17 and has risen 14% since. Intel is up 21% since Jan. 22. Apple is up 33% since bottoming on Feb. 26. (Stephen Coleman, writing on Seeking Alpha, thinks the stock could hit $300 this year, I'm not sure I'd agree, but check out his thinking here.)  

Housing may be bottoming. This is a very tentative conclusion at best. It is true that the monthly existing-home sales stats from the National Association of Realtors and the new-home sales stats from the Commerce Department are suggesting some stabilization of sales in January and February. The problem with the assertion is that the reports are both projections based on very low actual sales. I've been around these numbers since 1982, and I don't get excited by any sales number in December, January or February. For most of the country's, it's winter, and people move in the summer. We'll get a much better idea of whether the thesis holds when the April numbers start to show up. That'll be in mid-May.

But -- and this is a big but -- foreclosures and mortgage delinquencies are rising, and Bloomberg News reported today that many banks are so overwhelmed by mortgage problems with their customers that they've started to look the other way. And John Mauldin, writing on Minyanville, marshals a lot of evidence to make even the most optimistic real estate agent think twice before declaring happy days are here again.

What is undeniable is that home building stocks are rising. The Philadelphia Housing Sector Index is up 28% from its low in January. Check out the chart. Pulte Homes is up 73% from its lows in January. (Check out Pulte's chart.)  But remember: The index did fall 60% between July 2005 and January 2008.

That makes a pretty convincing case for a bottom. Could the conclusion be wrong? Absolutely. Let us count the ways.

We could be enjoying a bear-market rally. These can be truly maddening: The market goes up for a while and then tumbles again. One such rally pushed the S&P 500 up 170 points, or better than 8%, from Nov. 26 until Dec. 11. Then, the S&P 500 dropped 250 points until late January. After the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks, the S&P 500 dropped to as low as 944.75, then rebounded 24% by the following January. Then, it FELL 34% by October 2002.

You don't know what you don't know. Unfortunately with all the bright guys who designed computer models to justify their banks loading up on illiquid securities backed by subprime mortgages don't know exactly what's backing those securities. It may be year-end before we really do know.

The consumer looks to be in trouble. Jobless claims are rising; payrolls are falling. Retail sales look weak. Auto sales are especially dicey. And it's not just the American auto makers who are suffering. Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi and Mazda also are experiencing sales slumps. (Check out the March sales figures from Autodata.) Delinquencies are credit cards are soaring. $3.35-a-gallon gasoline is painful. And one last thing: Home prices are falling.

Inflation is rising. Food prices are up. Air fares are rising. Healthcare costs are moving higher. Even the Fed is worried about inflation.

My gut says it's premature to say the market has bottomed or even that there's good reason for a bottom now. But I do find the nibbling at housing, technology and metals interesting and worth watching. And I'm going to watch FedEx closely. The stock fell 29% between July and March 17. It's up 17% off that bottom. FedEx is one of those companies that offer investors an idea of where the economy is headed. If people ship more, the theory goes, business must be getting better. 

Maybe. Perhaps.

Comments

 

The only way back is to cut gov. spending. Lets get our military out of the rest of the world! There are a lot of "BUCKS" being spent in places most of us have never heard about.And by the way,whats all this stuff about going back to the moon and then to mars? TALK ABOUT MONEY!!

Funny how many of these comments seem to be from jealous limies with nothing better to do than slam America. You smug buggers should remember that you are cozy on your little waterlogged island only because the US saved your butts from the Germans a few decades past. We are currently in a big mess caused by an idiot president who was probably illegally "elected" and who the majority of Americans do not support. You would do well to save your ridiculous comments for tea time and feel lucky that you are even the third-rate "power" that you are. Nobody fears the UK. The US may not be liked right now but we are respected and feared.

The US economy will be just fine, thank you.  The people who speculated and made purchases that they couldn't afford are suffering as are the lenders who gave them money.  Life in the USA is far superior to any other country even when we are having a difficult time.   By summer the market will be at 14,000 again.

This is a reflection of larger trends. It is the trade surplus went with American economic strength, and the trade deficit reflects increased weakening of the US economy. A post-industrial economy is not the same as a non-industrial economy.

Yes, reasonable limits on interest rates and sound regulation will help steady the economy and prevent bubbles, but at the end of the day, if the American middle class is to survive, the nation needs to produce approximately as many products as it consumes. Until that happens, our economic health will continue to decline.

Downward momentum has caused the mess to be just that much more unmanagable.   Bush haters personify the downward momentum.  To all those pessimists, I say, "Get a Life".. Adjust your portfolio. This too will pass and you will miss a marvelous opportunity to buy low.  Some folks just can't see an opportunity if it hits them between the eyes....

The US is going down. Everyone in the world knows this except stupid Americans clueless of what is happening. The shifting of power from the old super power (US) to the new super power (Asia). The USD is proof but you ignorant fools are so brainwashed by hollyword you still do not have a clue. The US has done nothing good for the world but caused war . GO HOME YANKEE

Do you deny that the 2000 election was decided by the Supreme court,eventhough there was a clear winner in the polular vote ?

I don't personally think we've hit "bottom" per say, but the impact has hit other areas as secondary or tertiary markets which has resurged the notion that the sky is falling.  However as the ripples dispurse through the various economy, they are absorbed slightly in each market segment and in that, the brunt is actually lessened (like ripples in a pond).  Truth be told, the situation is not really that bad for those that were financially conservative and fiscally sound.

There is still turmoil to be felt throughout different segments of the overall market, and as soon as those adjust (i.e. get hit hard and painfully) the housing market will adjust itself (by coming down off of overly inflated prices) and the person that couldn't afford the 3/2 at 700k will be able to reasonably buy it at 240k again...which is where it should have been in the first place (and we can only hope it will be in that instant they go with a more financially intelligent flat rate APR).

As for the stock market, well sadly it has become a "pump and dump" market b/c of the information wealth and ease of transmission and as such we have to learn to adapt accordingly.  Long gone are the days when corporate news stories directly tied to market outcome, good news delivered today is already felt in the prior days market movement so we have to adjust our investment strategies.

I do agree, however that we need to focus on getting manufacturing back into the US as much as humanly possible, and attempt to retract the giving of jobs overseas as we can't thrive (or even survive) as a purely commodity-based economy if we aren't the ones creating the commodity and we can't continue to ship all intelligent work to other nations without having the true understanding that by doing that, we lose the long-term vision of our nation's survival.

I love the diatribe  that some of these anti-American's spew.  Perhaps it is time for the good ol USA to pull the plug on the rest of the World and see how these 3rd Word and 3rd rate countries would survive without the assistance of the World's super-power.  We have experienced blips in our economy throughout time and thus, these swings will occurr.  I would hope, however, that someday our elected representatives will actually represent the people and do what is good for our country versus serving the interest groups that are hell bent on destroying America.  

While the U.S. is struggling albeit temporarily with the economy and the value of the dollar; its place as the "superpower of the world" is secure and will be for the foreseeable future.  Everything runs in cycles.  A simple examination of history bears this out.  There are many in the world who would like to see nothing less than the fall of the United States from its lofty perch.  Wishful thinking on these envious fool's part.

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