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Has the market really bottomed? Maybe. Perhaps.

Posted Apr 04 2008, 10:55 PM by Charley Blaine
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There are enormous amounts of chatter about whether the markets have bottomed.

So, what's the evidence?

The market itself. Down as much as 18% in January from its Oct. 9, 2007 all-time closing high, the Dow Jones Industrial Average's loss has been trimmed to 11%. The Standard & Poor's 500 Index, briefly down 20% on March 17 from October in the turmoil over Bear Stearns, is now off 12.4% from its October peak. And the Nasdaq Composite Index's loss from a peak on Oct. 31 has shrunk from 25% on March 17 to 17% on Friday. OK, let's turn the thought around. The Dow is up 8% from its lows in January. The S&P 500 and the Nasdaq are both up 9% and 10% off their lows on March 17. Lastly, the S&P 500 moved above its 50-day moving average on March 24, briefly dipped under it and has moved above it again. Moreover, the moving average has started to rise for the first time since November.

The Federal Reserve. Ben Bernanke & Gang have made it clear they won't allow the financial system to collapse. That was the result the Fed and many on Wall Street had feared would happen if Bear Stearns had been forced to file for bankruptcy protection. Instead, Bear Stearns has agreed to be acquired by JPMorgan Chase.

It doesn't look like any more Wall Street firms are going to collapse. Lehman Bros. was the likeliest candidate for a big problem and got through the week in one piece. I admit, however, that, in the wonderful world of Wall Street, you never know. There are worries about non-Wall Street financial institutions, specifically Washington Mutual, which looked like it was being raided by short sellers on Friday.

Tech stocks are starting to move higher. Google hit a low of $412.11 on March 17 and has risen 14% since. Intel is up 21% since Jan. 22. Apple is up 33% since bottoming on Feb. 26. (Stephen Coleman, writing on Seeking Alpha, thinks the stock could hit $300 this year, I'm not sure I'd agree, but check out his thinking here.)  

Housing may be bottoming. This is a very tentative conclusion at best. It is true that the monthly existing-home sales stats from the National Association of Realtors and the new-home sales stats from the Commerce Department are suggesting some stabilization of sales in January and February. The problem with the assertion is that the reports are both projections based on very low actual sales. I've been around these numbers since 1982, and I don't get excited by any sales number in December, January or February. For most of the country's, it's winter, and people move in the summer. We'll get a much better idea of whether the thesis holds when the April numbers start to show up. That'll be in mid-May.

But -- and this is a big but -- foreclosures and mortgage delinquencies are rising, and Bloomberg News reported today that many banks are so overwhelmed by mortgage problems with their customers that they've started to look the other way. And John Mauldin, writing on Minyanville, marshals a lot of evidence to make even the most optimistic real estate agent think twice before declaring happy days are here again.

What is undeniable is that home building stocks are rising. The Philadelphia Housing Sector Index is up 28% from its low in January. Check out the chart. Pulte Homes is up 73% from its lows in January. (Check out Pulte's chart.)  But remember: The index did fall 60% between July 2005 and January 2008.

That makes a pretty convincing case for a bottom. Could the conclusion be wrong? Absolutely. Let us count the ways.

We could be enjoying a bear-market rally. These can be truly maddening: The market goes up for a while and then tumbles again. One such rally pushed the S&P 500 up 170 points, or better than 8%, from Nov. 26 until Dec. 11. Then, the S&P 500 dropped 250 points until late January. After the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks, the S&P 500 dropped to as low as 944.75, then rebounded 24% by the following January. Then, it FELL 34% by October 2002.

You don't know what you don't know. Unfortunately with all the bright guys who designed computer models to justify their banks loading up on illiquid securities backed by subprime mortgages don't know exactly what's backing those securities. It may be year-end before we really do know.

The consumer looks to be in trouble. Jobless claims are rising; payrolls are falling. Retail sales look weak. Auto sales are especially dicey. And it's not just the American auto makers who are suffering. Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi and Mazda also are experiencing sales slumps. (Check out the March sales figures from Autodata.) Delinquencies are credit cards are soaring. $3.35-a-gallon gasoline is painful. And one last thing: Home prices are falling.

Inflation is rising. Food prices are up. Air fares are rising. Healthcare costs are moving higher. Even the Fed is worried about inflation.

My gut says it's premature to say the market has bottomed or even that there's good reason for a bottom now. But I do find the nibbling at housing, technology and metals interesting and worth watching. And I'm going to watch FedEx closely. The stock fell 29% between July and March 17. It's up 17% off that bottom. FedEx is one of those companies that offer investors an idea of where the economy is headed. If people ship more, the theory goes, business must be getting better. 

Maybe. Perhaps.

Comments

 

The US is a falling super power alll thanks to a sell out elite who care only about their money and hate the average American. It's to bad  Americans are a stupid and brainwashed people who allowed a madman (Bush) to ruin the country and made it the most hated country in the world. Only only is the US broke but so are it's people. The world has had enough and the falling USD is proof of it.Enjoy your depression Americans.

This recession can only get worse as you can see it everywhere you go. Givernment stats claim 26 million Americans are now on food stamps. More and more of us continue to lose our jobs and inflation make life even harder. We Americans have no one to blame but us. Ken may come off a little hard on us but he is bang on. If this recession gets worse we will have a depression

Americans can not deal with the facts. They think everyone is anti-American but fact are facts and the US economy is a house of cards whuch is now starting it's crash down. The world has dropped the USD as the super power dollar and now American standard of living is going down. Keep watching are you smarter then a fifth grader since your IQ can only go that far.

Very good summation.  Maybe, perhaps.  Best comment was: that we could be enjoying a bear market rally.  We would all like to think that things are getting better.  Unfortunately we have ignored the fact that the housing boom has been underpinning the economy - people have borrowed against the value of their homes.  We have spent beyond our means.  Now there is nothing left .  What has scared people even more is that they, in many cases, now owe more than own.  Now all they can do is "hope" that things will get better and, in the mean time, shut down on the "want" spending and do the minimum to get by with "needs" only.

The USD is dropping invalue since others around the world refuse to hold dollars which continue to lose value due to low interest rates while inflation is running about 10%.  Lucky for us all the US stock market is not free and thus manipulated. Why is the US the only stock market which is rigged? No wonder investment people from around the world hate the US. I doubt we can get out of this mess which we created. Those who claim we can are ignorant Americans clueless to the facts

THE USD IS WORTHLESS LIKE A MEXICAN PESO OR CANADIAN DOLLAR. THE AMMERO WILL TAKE OVER YOU BROKE AMERICAN FOOLS.

The details of the "story" do not support the headlines.  THINK!

The economy has alot more room to move downward. Until the credit risk has been eliminated, no one knows what we don't know. This Q'er of Earnings will be "Ugly" and you'll find alot of foreign money picking up stocks and mutual funds that would probably die a slow death otherwise. The U.S. economy stinks and unless Americans start buying American products and not buy Chinese made products is when we'll see a turnaround in the U.S.

Comnton Housing 2001-2007

I think of lot of low quality homes have been sold with skaky financing and that fact hasn'T been talked about much. This is in addition to low down or not down mortgages in sub prime and 0-20% market. Its perception, lots of trouble ahead.

Joe

This economy has a much farther way to go before consumers will start to have

confidence again.  The only thing they are seeing are these desparate tactics

being used by the federal reserve and grand standing by the Treasury Dept.

which took an emergency like Bear Stearns to even make that happen.

The financial strength of this nation has been going down since this incompetent

president has been in office.  Also nothing has been done to create manufacturing

jobs in the numbers necessary.  Instead those jobs were exported to foreign nations because the government has not provided incentive to industry to keep them here.

One prime example is the auto industry.  A very obvious incentive for only

domestic vehicle manufacturers is a tax incentive to produce reasonably priced fuel efficient vehicles.  And a significant tax incentive to consumers to buy them.

Then a very profound and effective marketing program by government and industry to promote the purchase of those fuel efficient vehicles.

This will cause more production and create those very important manufacturing

JOBS AND GIVE PEOPLE SOMETHING TO HAVE SOME CONFIDENCE  IN  AGAIN.  

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