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Cash for clunkers awaits the President's green light

Posted Jun 19 2009, 10:48 AM by Catherine Holahan
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cash in on your gas guzzler (C) Dynamic graphics/ jupiter imagesAfter idling in Congress for more than a month, the cash for clunkers bill is heading to President Obama's  desk.

The bill would give vehicle owners vouchers towards the purchase of a new ride in exchange for their older, less fuel-efficient model. To qualify for the program, the old vehicle would have to get 18 miles per gallon or less and, presumably, be worth less than the maximum government grant of $4,500. Otherwise, the customer would get more money simply for selling their used car or truck.

Vouchers vary depending upon the increased fuel-efficiency of the new car. The government gives $3,500 towards the purchase of a car that gets 22mpg, or for new trucks or SUVs that are 2mpg more efficient than the trade-in vehicle. Grants rise to $4,500 for cars that get 10mpg more than the old vehicle, or for trucks and SUVs that get 5mpg more than the trade-in.

The government hopes that the program, which will cost about $1 billion, will jump start auto sales as well as remove some of the least environmentally-friendly vehicles from the road. The government will junk traded-in cars, rather than recycle their parts.

But there are critics who say the bill will accomplish neither of these goals.

Some auto industry advocates say the bill won't come close to selling the 1 million vehicles hoped. They argue that the folks still driving cars old enough to be worth less than $4,500 don't have the money to buy a new car. Jeremy Anwyl, chief executive of Edmunds.com, told the Associated Press that the car would struggle to provide 250,000 in new vehicle sales.

In fact, some opponents of the bill say it will actually make it more difficult for less-affluent consumers to drive. Aaron Lowe, vice president of government affairs for the Automotive Aftermarket Industry Association, argues that scrapping older cars makes parts more expensive for folks that can only afford to repair their gas guzzlers.

"We don't see anyone that it is really going to benefit except the people that could buy the car on their own," said Lowe.

Environmentalists, meanwhile, maintain the bill does not go far enough to remove polluting vehicles from the road. Ann Mesnikoff, director of Green Transportation for the Sierra Club, supported junking the cars saying "those are the things you don't want on the resale market." But she wanted the government to give grants towards the purchase of the most fuel-efficient cars, not simply those with scant 2mpg improvements.   

"We have subsidized the sale of something that may be guzzling gas for the next 20 years," she said in an interview last month.

Despite the bills' failings, some auto industry advocates say that doing something was better than nothing. Auto sales are at multi-decade lows - down about 37% from the beginning of the year. Deals offered by closing dealerships helped sales stabilize slightly in May. But, auto industry advocates says consumers need more financial incentives to return to show rooms and help stabilize the industry.

"Certainly something needs to be done to help stimulate vehicle sales," said Charles Territo, a spokesperson for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers. "This has the potential to take hundreds of dollars a month off the monthly payment of a new vehicle."

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THERE OUT OF THERE MIND.

Sure my 1979 ford granada I drove in High school got really rotten gas mileage, however the second car i bought which was a 1986 chevy spectrum still gets better gas mileage than most of the cars on the road right now.  22 mpg is less than what I get with my 7 year old car.  Why on earth would I buy new when the mpg usage has gone down in new cars, and when my car has no difficulty passing emission inspections.  This plan is pretty backwards.

The Gov. needs to keep out of my life, they have taken over the auto builders, banks, now your cars next it will be the 2nd. Amd. guns will go, medical will go to the Gov., don't ask don't tell, the military is a mess. Obama will not show us a brith certificate, school records closed, he wants to give eillgals job's when people from this country our out of work. He is lost when it comes to you and me and how this country works and it's peoples ideas and life. How much money due you think this car program will coast you and I?, look at the money he keeps printing out with nothing to back it, it's counter fit, and if in this program he has all the junkers as he calls them junked and not recyeled people that dont have enough money to buy a new car will not have a place to buy used parts, now all the rerecyele junk yards will close, that will just add to the unenployment and more people will be out of work. This Gov. has had years to get us off Gas and oil but has done nothing about it, if this is the best they can do, than we need help. Whay ever happened to make it or don't?, if your service station didn't make enough money, you closed it same with any type of company, if you were unable to make money, you closed, thats just how life was, now Chevrolate go's broke and the Obama Gov. gives them millions of $, if they can't make it, close them.. like any other service would do. But we caN JUNK CARS AND THAT WILL MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE, how about that $.05 cents a gal for gas that people pay in Iraqi. Get real, the fed's. under Obama will just drain you try. What next?, if you house is over 25 years old we must burn it down to make room for a house that saves more on heat.

This is an outrageous waste of money. People can trade in their old card towards the purchase of a new one. The idea of the government gifting people money for a newer car is insane. If people need more money with their trade in then they need to work overtime and save up. And if they can't afford a car at all then they shouldn't be buying one. Having a car and having a liccense are two things that should be privileges. Now everybody thinks they have a right to a drivers license, and now even a car? How about giving people PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION incentives and get rid of some of the traffic that is choking the country!

Isn't it amazing that our (idiot) leaders will pass a bill like this, but won't offer sufficient incentives to buy a truly green car like a high mileage hybrid - to at least make it financially break-even?  What short sighted thinking!

If we want to move the dial on oil usage, then either having a meaningful tax credit for all hybrids with say, 40 mpg average (which could be adjusted up as average MPG of the vehicle fleet improves) - just might help over time.

The other thing that would actually help - but NONE of our political leaders has the GUTS to do what's good for the country instead of what they think will get them elected -- would be to have  a gas tax that establishes a realistic minimum on the gas price, and gradually rises over time.  For example, it might start at a minimum gas price of $3.00, and have that increase by a quarter for several years.  This wouldn't break the bank for folks who aren't wasteful, and would get people thinking long term about saving energy.  

And for those who I can already predict will be crying about pulling their boat with their massive truck or driving a thousand miles a week to work -- you and your ilk are precisely the reason we need higher gasoline taxes -- I WANT you to cry until you change your behavior OR pay enough tax to help fund alternative sources of energy.

Instead, folks like me who actually want to reduce our dependence on oil and be easier on the planet and (for example) buy a Toyota Prius to triple my in-city mileage get no meaningful financial incentive to do the right thing for the country.

Our energy policy has been criminally stupid (have cheap gqas to get re-elected) since the late 70's, by which time it was obvious that long term - energy and especially crude oil, was a serious issue for the U.S.  Bills like this show that we're not getting any smarter - despite the clear sign since 2005 that world demand will cause serious price increases that FORCES people to change.  The only question is whether it happens in months or years (short term prices are quite random).  (If in doubt, read the Wikipedia article on peak oil - and follow the links.  The long term picture is easy to see).

The Government of ours passed this legislation for one reason only. because SLAVERY exists in this country of ours STILL. In order for our economy to be successful now days under its current plan. YOU have to be an indentured servant to the BANKING industry. This legislation does nothing but create unneccesary purchases by people who cant afford it and by those who can, making themselves indentured or CREDIT Slaves for the Banks. CREDIT is Slavery. Go ahead. Go punch your timeclocks for 40hours a week to pay some Banking CEO's yacht payment, just so you can have a brand new car, when your old car just needed some TLC.......its not about the enviroment. Its about CREDIT and saving the BANKS....... dont you people get it ! FIX your Old Car and Stay off the BANKS nipple because thats where they want you. YOU , CREDIT SLAVE..........pssstt...........they want you in debt ! Think about it !

TO: PHIL VANDERBOSCH

This statement should be:  They're out of their minds.

To:  Wendy - You wouldn't qualify for this program anyway, neither would I since my car also gets more than 22 mpg.  Also there is already a tax credit to buy a hybrid car that is not associated with the Cash for Clunkers program.

It is disappointing that the "clunkers" will be scrapped instead of recycled.

60% the cars that are currently donated to charity will now be eligible for a $3500 or $4500 voucher under the cash for clunkers program. Since the tax deduction for donating a car is only $500 or what the car sells charities won't be able to compete with the program and charitable car donation will end. A better idea is to just change the amount a person can deduct for donating their car back to the book value. That way every car is eligible, the government doesn't have to spend $4 million of our dollars giving away vouchers and trying to administer a program that is way too convoluted!

Read "Gusher of Lies".  We will never be free of oil.  Our politicians have been talking a out energy independence for over 40 years, but it won't happen.

Grammar police - scrapped cars ARE recycled.

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