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Are 401(k)s a bad idea?

Posted May 07 2009, 12:48 PM by Karen Datko
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This guest post comes from Frank Curmudgeon at Bad Money Advice.

A reader named Trent pointed me to a story that "60 Minutes" did recently, "Retirement dreams disappear with 401(k)s." It's not their best work, and I'm not one who thinks much of their best work.

Helpfully, the CBS Web site gives a near transcript of it, so I can easily quote the way over-the-top copy read by the reporter, Steve Kroft.

It was a gray, chilly morning in midtown Manhattan and a line of unemployed, mostly white-collar workers stretched for blocks around the Radisson Hotel. More than 1,000 middle managers, stockbrokers, consultants, secretaries and receptionists had come hoping to find a job.

It was called a career fair, but there was no merriment -- only a whiff of desperation.

Many of the people at the career fair have been out of work for months and burned through their liquid assets; their future, even bleaker than the present.

At the non-merry career fair Kroft interviews some late middle-age folks with bleak futures. (Something I can really sympathize with.) Kroft does get a few moments of moving video when an executive assistant with 30 years of experience pleads for somebody in the television audience to hire her. But that's not the fallout of the Wall Street implosion on which "60 Minutes" wants to report. This story is on 401(k)s.

Helpfully, these New Yorkers with bleak futures have brought their 401(k) statements with them to the career fair. And naturally, one of them has brought it unopened so CBS can share the drama of him opening it with America.

The poor guy is 60 years old, planned to retire at 62, and "nearly half of his life savings" has been lost. His 401(k) is off $140,000. Ouch. Was that all his savings? "60 Minutes" doesn't mention anything else. So he was three years from retirement and had only $280,000? In New York? I'm thinking (and hoping) there was more money in other accounts, but CBS is focused on 401(k)s and nothing will throw them off the scent.

For example, they pass up the story of how a guy in the final years before retirement could allocate his assets in a way that he could lose half his assets. It could be smugly assumed that he was foolishly aggressive in his choices, but I bet he didn't know any better. He didn't understand how aggressive he was being and how dangerous his situation was. How that could happen would have made a good story, but, alas, I digress.

This "60 Minutes" story is on how 401(k)s are a failure, and possibly a bad idea. According to them, 401(k)s "were never designed to be retirement plans in the first place." Or, to be more precise, it was just a part of a larger retirement plan, most of which was to be provided by government and paternal companies. "It was supposed to supplement the two traditional income streams for retirees -- Social Security and pensions."

This is hogwash. First, it was Social Security that was meant as a supplemental source of retirement income when it started.  Second, corporate pensions were never as universal as nostalgia suggests. At their peak, which was a while ago now, less than half of American workers were covered by them. And third, although I don't know what was in the minds of lawmakers when the 401(k) law was enacted, in practice it is very explicitly thought of as a substitute for a pension plan and as far as I know this has always been the case in the corporate world.

People in the investment business call pensions defined benefit, or DB, plans and 401(k)s, IRAs and the like, defined contribution, or DC, plans. For decades now, there has been a movement away from DB to DC. It may have been under-reported by the media and under-debated as a policy issue, but it has been massive and almost universal.

Companies don't like running DB plans for two big reasons. First, they are hard and expensive to run. The company is forced into a sideline of being an insurance company and investment manager in addition to whatever it is that it does for a living.  If the investments do poorly, or if retirees live longer than expected, then the company has to take more money out of the business to make up the shortfall.

But the other, and at least as significant, reason that companies don't like DB plans is that their employees don't like them very much either. Obviously, if given the choice between having a pension and not, everybody would choose to have one. But on a perceived-benefit-per-dollar basis, DB plans are a poor way to compensate your employees. From the workers' point of view, the pension benefit they accrue in a given year is often very abstract and uncertain. If they work some number of years, they will get some percentage of their (not yet known) final salary. If they leave the company after only a few years, which is statistically likely, they often get nothing.

In contrast, the benefits from a DC plan are immediately obvious to the worker. They get paid countable dollars that they can save in a tax-deferred vehicle. Often the company matches some of their contributions. Although those company matches sometimes have a vesting schedule, in general DC plans are completely portable, meaning that workers can take their savings with them when they leave the company.

The "60 Minutes" piece does all it can to portray the DB-to-DC conversion as another example of evil big business shortchanging the little guys. It may be that the little guy was indeed shortchanged by this, but what CBS is talking about is a huge demographic shift, not some small accounting trick. It would make as much sense to bemoan the decline in classified advertising in newspapers or the shrinking pay-phone industry.

And those little guys who are now worse off were willing accomplices in their own downfall. They were enthusiastic about having control of their own money, rather than trusting somebody else to take care of their retirement savings. But like a teenager desperate for a driver's license, craved freedom sometimes has tragic consequences. Many, out of ignorance, made foolish choices about how to invest their money. And many did not set aside enough money each year to begin with, choosing to convert what would have been their part of a DB plan not into a DC plan but into cool toys and fun vacations.

To me, what Americans did wrong managing their own retirement savings, and why, would have made a much better and more interesting story. Which is why I am not a television news producer.

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Comments

 

Well stated, Karen. 60 minutes is now just as bad as the rest of the mainstream media with their shallow, bleeding-heart mantra. I have seen numerous other stories about how 401k's "don't work" and they are all total nonsense. If people understood what pensions were, they wouldn't want them but since most Americans are terrible with money, the idea just refuses to die. I'm really tired of all the complainers out there claiming their 401k's just "disappeared." Why aren't these people managing their money? No one should be 60 years old and have all their assets in the market. That 's investing 101. When will people realize it's THEIR money and therefore THEIR responsibility to manage it?

401ks Have Expensive, Sub-par Investment Options.Although, some larger companies administer their 401k plans through Vanguard or one of the other top mutual fund companies and offer low-cost, high-quality investment options to their employees. I have never had a decent 401k plan, in fact. Many contend it’s better to forgo the tax deferral in favor of superior investment options, and this is certainly sometimes the case.

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People jumped into the DC style plans based largely on the most simplistic investment mantras in existence.  We were given very basic information on market returns being at such a percent, diversification, buy and hold, and other very basic investment things and then just told to go nuts.  It's the equivilant level of driving lessons stopping after defining the gas, brake, and steering wheel.  It laeaves people very unprepared for what's to come and what needs to be done.  It doesn't help that things like Enron and the real estate meltdown seemed to get missed by the experts, let alone the layman.  Heck, even beyond criminal stupidity, financial plans can be very contridictory, and hindsight financial advice isn't helpful, especially if it contridicts the financial advice you've been giving.  Then you add in corrupt financial planners just doing things that make them money in plan fees, not the plan money.

It's not that 401Ks and other DC plans are bad, we just jumped into them with far too much idealism and far too little education and planning for their real consequences.  Be careful what you wish for.  That 60 minutes article may be full of people that say they did what their planner sugested, or Jim Cramer sugested, or any other so called experts sugested, only to find that failure can hit us all.  Without that arrogant beleif that they will (not could, will) do better with a DC plan, people will jump ship back to DB plans, especially when the stories start coming out about people outliving their DC plans total funds.

Jon, I highly doubt that skipping a pre-tax investment will ever exceed the growth of even a "sub-par" investment. I'm sure there are bad 401k plans, but the vast majority work and if employees actually took an interest in their own money, they'd find they can build quite a next egg. I've worked in corporate America for 20 years and watched literally thousands of people squander their paychecks, never even participating in their company's plan and complain the whole while that they can't get ahead. The problem today is that most people just don't care. They're happy to be victims.

I'm fully vested in my company's 401k. That's like a 100% return on my investment. They match up to 6% of my salary. Even though I lost 10% last year, I'm still ahead, just at a slower pace. I'm in my late 40s and while I'd love to say that I, too will retire at 62, that's just a pipe dream. I'll be in it until I'm 67 or 68, and my wife will then be 54 or so. While I love the freedom of controlling my own money, I'm way too conservative to take higher risks with it. Yikes.

One of the problems with DC plans is the implicit assumption that the worker will know best how to maximize their return while building in just the right amount of safety over several decades. Given that many highly regarded professional fund managers haven't been able to achieve similar goals, I have to wonder if it's a reasonable demand to place on "ordinary" workers.  That means in a constantly changing economic environment, with little or no zero financial education, every covered worker needs to have the knowledge and time to correctly navigate all the investment strategies needed during each stage of his/her life.  While that may be the ideal, in the real world, it doesn't often work.  We're seeing the results of that now.

Sydney, if the worker doesn't know what to do, they can get help. That's not a problem. The best advice for 90% or workers is to dollar cost average - put a fixed percent of pay into 2 or 3 mutual funds no matter what the market does. At the end of the day, you'll get your 8% average return. Trying to "maximize" the return just makes people try to time the market, and that's where most people lose. As you get older, you slowly move money to fixed assets. It's a lower return, but predictable income at retirement. Want to know the sad part? That advice hasn't changed in fifty years. The problem is that nobody listens. Also, fund managers can't stop the market from crashing, either, so it's not like "highly regarded professionals" could somehow get 8% last year. Funds have objectives and they have to stick to it so if the fund was in stocks, it was down last year. They can't just sell it all and buy CDs because they looked in their crystal ball and saw a crash.

I have to agree with pieces of everyone’s statements above, however, I still believe a 401k is needed but with a caveat.... only to the percent you are being matched.  Most plans have sub-par options and more often than not have restrictions on liquidity (if you disagree call your plan and see if you can get your money out right now).  Invest the amount you get a match for and move the rest of your funds into a separate account for better returns and liquidity.  Also, as a side note you pay a huge amount of your money to manage these "funds" and it can better be managed on the side by you even without any training.  Even if it is a simple index fund of bond fund, maintain your liquidity, get the highest return you can and keep a diversified approach.  Lastly, keep an eye on your money - don’t trust any advisor, bank or financial company without watching them and their fees.  These institutions take too much of our money for lousy management and returns, I say we keep more of it for ourselves and they get a pay cut.

Im a firm believer in 401k's.  BUT, they are just part of an overall retirement plan.  In my opinion everyone should also have a ROTH IRA.  And a traditional IRA.  Plus own some real estate, whether it be your home or some land.  In addition to that, traditionial savings in a high interest savings account or CD's, or both.  At the same time minimize or eliminate your debt and for god sakes get rid of the credit cards.  These are all just pieces of a plan.  Not one of them is the end all be all.  A lot of it just comes down to people lacking knowledge.  Subscribe to Fortune, or Money, or one of the other Personal Finance mags and get educated.  

Mia, 401k's are not supposed to be liquid. The Federal government isn't making worker's pay tax on the principal and is also defering the int/divs until retirement. You should be heavily penalized if you break that agreement. Part of managing your money is figuring out how much you'll need at retirement and then saving it. I wouldn't recommend people base their contribution on match, but more on what they'll need in later years - whatever that percentage is (and there are many programs, magazines and professionals that can help) should be put in and left there. Also, keep in mind that most people think 401k's are too complicated (I don't, but they do) and you're asking to do even more on there own. Remember, you'll dealing with dummies, here.

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