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Bloggers critique Suze’s big about-face

Posted Apr 21 2009, 01:45 PM by Karen Datko
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He's 68, has $280,000 or so in retirement savings, no debt, and wants to take his wife of 40 years on a $30,000 trip around the world. Denied, said Suze Orman. He can't go because he doesn't have an eight-month emergency fund.  

We'll have to take the word of "Moneymonk" and one of her readers on this because we didn't see Suze's show. But the scenario she recalls and Suze's advice didn't sit well with Moneymonk.

"Suze, retirement is supposed to be enjoyed. This is their time. Let them have it," Moneymonk wrote. "Suze, whatever happened to PEOPLE FIRST?"

What's really taken personal-finance bloggers by surprise is Suze's about-face on paying off credit card debt, which until recently was her top priority. She used to say: "Your first step is you have to get out of credit card debt. After you're out of credit card debt, you need an eight-month emergency fund."

She now says people should pay only the minimum due each month on their cards until they have that emergency fund in place.

We can see the sense in this new advice. Sure, the interest will cause your credit card balances to grow if you're making only minimum payments. But at least you'd be able to pay for essentials with cash if you lost your job. As our partner blogger J.D. Roth at Get Rich Slowly has said, a credit card is not an emergency fund.

But bloggers found fault for the following reasons:

Her advice is too all or nothing. "JSteele" at Ask Mr. Credit Card, said, "Whatever I do, I am not planning on racking up interest on my credit cards now in order to stuff money underneath my mattress for a rainy day."

It's too much, too late. Trent Hamm at our partner blog The Simple Dollar said saving an eight-month supply of cash is a long-term goal that would have best been heard two years ago, rather than now, when he sees signs of an economic recovery.

Trent said that "an eight-month emergency fund, if you have high-interest outstanding debt, is overkill. However, in the current economic environment, there is reason for people to feel much less secure about their employment. So, in the short term, I'd bulk up my emergency fund a little -- but only in the short term."

Say what? replied Ginger at Girls Just Wanna Have Funds. "I don't know about you but my crystal ball is broken and I have no way of really knowing when the recession will cease and when/if the economy will rebound," she wrote. "... Eight months is nothing these days and frankly we should be aiming for one year of living expenses."

Suze's new advice makes sense to Paul Michael at our partner blog Wise Bread, As Suze did, Paul notes that credit card companies are changing the terms for and dropping even reliable cardholders, so "that avenue of credit could still be closed to you. Not so good if you need a fallback in times of crisis."

Overall, we think people need to look at their individual circumstances. Financial advice is not one-size-fits-all. If you don't have an emergency fund, stop spending as if you do and save up. But if you are 68 and have retirement savings, go on the trip of your life.

Michael Rubin at Beyond Paycheck to Paycheck was also irritated by Suze's advice to the retired man who wants to travel. Michael talked about the "the importance of balance and understanding both life's and one's financial ‘big picture.'" 

"I hope he goes ahead and enjoys himself and ignores Suze. She is sounding like the grinch that stole Christmas," said "Tired of being broke."

Related reading:

Why Suze Orman is wrong -- again

Stop listening to Suze Orman

Is Suze Orman out of touch?

Stop picking on Suze Orman!

Comments

 

It's simple, Orman and oh too many others like her are out there to sell her books... she'll tout what seems to be popular, in as dumbed down and overarching a manner as possible to reach the most buyers, whether it's of any real use or not. The trick is taking financial "advise" and finding what will work best for you and your situation, not everything will be the best plan for you, some may be pure crap for your specific needs and goals.

I'm fairly certain Suze isn't receiving any kind of kickbacks, endorsements or other benefits from credit card issuing banks, the credit bureaus or Fair Isaac, but sometimes she sure does come across as a shill for all of the above.

What most interests me about Suze (and her ilk) is that every few years (or less!) they come out with a new book, usually along the lines of: The Next Big Thing or What to do with your Money Now. I'm fairly certain she had a book about real estate investing (who didn't?).

The only person who has seemed to stick with the same message from the beginning is Dave Ramsey. He has pretty much had just the one book, Total Money Makeover and it continue to sell very well.

I agree with nmc, the best plan/advice is the one that works for you. DH & I used the Dave Ramsey snowball method to pay off our consumer debt, but we are not disciples of his "absolutely no credit card" philosophy. It just doesn't work for us.  

I happened to watch the show that this post refers to,  the man that wanted to spend $30,000 on a trip around the world did not have liquid savings to pay for the trip, his plan was to pull it from his retirement.  I don't think any financial advisor would advise doing that, even the GREAT DAVE RAMSEY.  Though I don't always agree with Suze Orman, her advice is not always black and white and her 8 month rule is waived depending on the situation.

And as for Dave Ramsey's one book...try 16 books, not to mention his Financial Peace University, which is a couple hundred dollars to attend.  

Suze Orman gave away her latest book for free, gives the passwords for resources you'll find on her website for free, and very often gives sound financial advice. If she were only out to make money, she'd charge for everything. I agree with nmc; the trick is to find what works for YOU, but that doesn't mean her advice is bad. I love her shows, and I find that sometimes I disagree with her advice, but I find it mostly good. It makes sense to have cash on hand, since the credit card companies are shutting down unused cards and cards that are paid off as soon as the money clears!

I think Suze's advice on credit cards makes sense; if you are preparing for the worst----it makes more sense to have cash on-hand to buy food, shelter, etc. than to throw money at the black-hole of credit-card debt.

The 8 month idea is absolutely nuts. I think she's starting to smell her own gas, if you catch my drift.

I saw the clip where Suze recommended not paying off the cc and putting the money away, she made it clear that it was not her usual advice but for an extordinary situation. She did make the point that in the present credit crunch paying off cards could leave you without available credit. And it's never a bad time to put money away for emergencies. It is difficult to save a large amount of money, but most people would find it very difficult to live on unemployment and it is taking most people longer then 3 months to find another job.

I like Suze, but I don't follow anyone's advice without thought. In the end it is my money and I'm responsible for my choices.

I hope this man takes his wife on this cruise, they have more than enough to survive,  most of us live paycheck to paycheck with a lot less  and cannot even think of a cruise. That is what money is for, most people only get one chance like this.  Money is to be enjoyed, you cannot take it with you.

I hope they went as well. What exactly is the point of squirreling away money for retirement if you''re not to enjoy those years? Is the new expectation "work until you can't" and then you can spend the money you've been saving all those years?   When exactly does Suze advocate withdrawing the money -- when you're 80?

The man is 68 years old. That is well within the realm of retirement age. The fact that he's still working (if he in fact is) is gravy. Shouldn't that be factored into the mix, and perhaps change the 8 month concept, since money is stashed away?

Each time Sue Orman does an interview, her sentences become increasingly vile, her warnings darker. “If. You. Don’t. Face. Your. Debt. In. The. Mirror. You. Are. Going. To. Be. In. So. Much. Trouble.”

Mommy still loves us, but we have been bad little kiddies and She. Has. Got. To. Tell. Us.

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