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New threat to your credit limit -- other shoppers

Posted Jan 29 2009, 12:32 PM by Karen Datko
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We've read that some credit card companies may ding those who use their card in bars or tire-retreading shops, or live in an area with lots of foreclosures, but this takes the cake: If you're an American Express cardholder, your credit limit could be reduced if other customers who shop where you do have fallen behind on their Amex bills.

Is this yet another way credit card companies are penalizing responsible customers because their own bottom lines are hurting?

In a post called "Be careful where you shop on credit" at the Suddenly Frugal Blog, "leangreenmom" said, "Yes, you read that right. This has nothing to do with customers not paying their bills on time. But it has everything to do with customers shopping in stores where other people who have been delinquent about paying their credit card bills also happen to shop."

Kevin D. Johnson of Atlanta, whose new blog, NewCreditRules.com, tracks changes in the credit card industry, became an activist after he got a letter from Amex announcing that his credit limit had been slashed from $10,800 to $3,800. One of the reasons, the letter said, is: "Other customers who have used their card at establishments where you recently shopped have a poor repayment history with American Express." 

Kevin, who, by all accounts, was a model customer, wrote in a recent post, "The implications of such a statement are alarming." One implication: A reduction in your credit limit will lower your all-important credit score.

He asked Amex to identify the particular establishments but got no answer, so he listed all of the businesses where he has used his card since December 2006 and asked his readers what they thought. The list includes well-known restaurants, airlines, the U.S. Postal Service and Wal-Mart.

Kevin, whose story was featured on "Good Morning America," told GMA he was particularly appalled because Amex received $3.4 billion in taxpayer-funded TARP money. "Here you have a company that's obviously in dire straits, but, in trying to turn the company around, they actually throw some of their best customers under the bus," he said.

Another unhappy Amex customer shared his story with MSNBC. The letter he got mentioned the "where you shop" justification and also: "Our analysis of the credit risk associated with customers who have residential loans from the creditor(s) indicated in your credit report."

So not only will they ding you for where you shop, but also if other people who used your mortgage lender aren't up to speed on their payments.

An Amex spokeswoman wouldn't say which stores raise flags and added that the list is constantly changing. She told MSNBC that looking at where you shop and who your mortgage lender is are part of "a holistic look at someone's overall credit profile."

Related reading:

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Comments

 

We have been Amex customers for more than 35 years and have never failed to make payments in a timely manner; however, this past month Amex notified us that they had lowered both of our business lines of credit from 25,000 to 4600; what a shock.

Needless to say; we will be paying them off and looking elsewhere for business credit cards.

Don't know who the GENIUS at Amex is that made the decision but it is definitely a bummer for us and several other business owners we know who have had the same experience.

Tbeaux - Lousiana

I have noticed something about a lot of the horror stories, and other horrible practices of the credit industry I'm personally involved in, is this:  Much of the worst punitive [and I think discriminatory] actions by lenders, and even the current crisis itself is based on one thing... selling DEBT, specifically CONSUMER DEBT.  I understand our economy has to have some level of selling debts, but selling individual debts needs to be limited.  For instance, i have to keep disputing a debt that keeps crossing my credit report from different collectors.  I didn't pay the original ammount [to Verizon] because it was unauthorized charges.  Every so often some dingbat company buys this "debt" and attempts to collect it, and i have to dispute it again.  i'm considering trying to start a class action about this sort of thing, and contacting my representatives about it.  Perhaps Credit reporting agencies should be limited to reporting less, such as who your accounts are with, so that judgements can't be based on such spurious information

If "John Doe Professional" thinks that an AMEX card gives him "status" he is sadly mistaken and has his head buried in his own ego and deserves all the charges he gets.

I have had credit cards since BofA started with their courtesy card years ago and I had one screwing from AMEX and will never go back. Visa and MC gives me all the credit I need monthly, and I never leave a balance. I lived through the depression of the thirtys and have always thought that credit was perilous, from margin calls to spending next years income now. Our economy will have to pay it's credit bill and probably in the form of the present depression.

AMEX just cut our limit from 12000 to 3000.  So, I immediately paid my $35 (yes, $35) balance and canceled the card.  We've never ever been late on a payment.   I encourage everyone to do the same.  We do not need these companies...and as stated above...go to a cash system and we'll all be better off.  

I am highly upset with American Express!!!! I have always paid as agreed.  I have a Blue American Express and a Gold American Express.  Just out of the blue they lowed my limit by $2,000.00. Right before that happened I had paid my American Express Blue card down by $4,000.00 ( in one lump sum).   I pulled my Credit History and by lowering my credit limit, it affected by credit score by 15 points. I was extremely upset..and also they had not even reported me paying $4000.00 down on the line. My regular payment is automatically debited each month.  Every time you call to talk to someone, you get put on hold and then when someone does come on the line they are unable to get to the records they need!!!   American Express is going to loose a lot of their good paying customers...but its their fault.  They really need to reevaluate their polices before they do!!!

I think we as consumers could put American Express out of business. Wouldn't that be fun? I will never be their customer because American Express was running the 401(K) program for a company I worked for 5-6 years ago, and never bothered to acknowledge my written application for a 401(K) after I made it through my 6 month probabtion. It was my only chance for a 401(K) in my 20 years work history (a whole other story), but, I didn't take it because why would I invest my hard earned money in a company, American Express, that didn't care? (Don't worry, I let my ex-company know what happened....they didn't really care either....) Shortly after my experience, the 401(K) admistration company changed its name. Must have had to to fool new customers into trying to invest with them.

AMEX did it to my, dropped my credit limit almost 70 percent because I have my mortgage with Countrywide....I was always ontime, never over my limit, and always paid more than the minimum payment on my account.

HERE WE GO AGAIN.  GOOD PEOPLE TIED TOGETHER WITH THE BAD.  WHEN SOMETHING GOES RIGHT, ONE PERSON ALWAYS TAKES THE CREDIT AND SAY "I DID IT" BUT WHEN ONE PERSON SCREWS UP "EVERYONE GETS PUNISHED".  STUPID IS WHAT STUPID DOES.  

CAPITAL ONE CANCELLED MY TWO CREDIT CARDS BECAUSE I WASN'T USING IT.  I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PAYING CASH.  IT WILL AFFECT MY CREDIT SCORE BUT I WON'T GIVE THEM THE SATISFACTION OF WINNING BY CHARGING SOMETHING JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO HAVE THE CARDS.  IF THE CREDIT CARD COMPANIES THINK THAT I HAVE TO BEG BECAUSE I'M A GOOD PERSON, THEN THEY ARE WRONG.  MY PARENTS NEVER HAD OR USED CREDIT CARDS WHEN WE WERE GROWING UP IN THE 1970'S.  

Hey Professional, like you, I pay my balance in full every month and have never had a finance charge, late charge or annual fee added to my account.  I charge $3-4K on my AMEX and have never had a problem getting a credit line increase when requested. I charge every day expenses like utilities and groceries because it simplifies my record keeping and earns great rewards.   But I do shop at Walmart, Target etc.

Your holier than thou attitude that you somehow are more deserving than the "common" folk is what got our country into this mess.

Most of the white collar professionals I know, including immediate family, are greedy rationalists who will do and say anything to get ahead.  The entrepreneurs (who actually earned it themselves) are by nature risk-takers and have horrible credit.

To John Doe Professional...I don't know if you're aware of this but here in Southern California, specifically the L.A. and Orange County metro areas, our cops and firefighters, the so-called "blue-collar" workers you look down on make more money than anyone would think. I work in payroll at a fire department and the rookies start off at $100K a year ($80K base + approx. $20-$30K in overtime), our firefighters and captains $120-$200K (depending on assignments and OT), and our chiefs $200-$300K a year.  My boyfriend is a cop and has made $120-$150K each of the last 6 years since he was hired.  Granted these salaries don't go very far when you consider cost-of-living but they are way above the national average.  I bet you my 22-year-old firefighter rookies make more than your snobby white-collar professional salary.  And with better benefits, a secure retirement, and the pride that comes from being a hero.  What have you done at your white-collar job today?

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