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New threat to your credit limit -- other shoppers

Posted Jan 29 2009, 12:32 PM by Karen Datko
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We've read that some credit card companies may ding those who use their card in bars or tire-retreading shops, or live in an area with lots of foreclosures, but this takes the cake: If you're an American Express cardholder, your credit limit could be reduced if other customers who shop where you do have fallen behind on their Amex bills.

Is this yet another way credit card companies are penalizing responsible customers because their own bottom lines are hurting?

In a post called "Be careful where you shop on credit" at the Suddenly Frugal Blog, "leangreenmom" said, "Yes, you read that right. This has nothing to do with customers not paying their bills on time. But it has everything to do with customers shopping in stores where other people who have been delinquent about paying their credit card bills also happen to shop."

Kevin D. Johnson of Atlanta, whose new blog, NewCreditRules.com, tracks changes in the credit card industry, became an activist after he got a letter from Amex announcing that his credit limit had been slashed from $10,800 to $3,800. One of the reasons, the letter said, is: "Other customers who have used their card at establishments where you recently shopped have a poor repayment history with American Express." 

Kevin, who, by all accounts, was a model customer, wrote in a recent post, "The implications of such a statement are alarming." One implication: A reduction in your credit limit will lower your all-important credit score.

He asked Amex to identify the particular establishments but got no answer, so he listed all of the businesses where he has used his card since December 2006 and asked his readers what they thought. The list includes well-known restaurants, airlines, the U.S. Postal Service and Wal-Mart.

Kevin, whose story was featured on "Good Morning America," told GMA he was particularly appalled because Amex received $3.4 billion in taxpayer-funded TARP money. "Here you have a company that's obviously in dire straits, but, in trying to turn the company around, they actually throw some of their best customers under the bus," he said.

Another unhappy Amex customer shared his story with MSNBC. The letter he got mentioned the "where you shop" justification and also: "Our analysis of the credit risk associated with customers who have residential loans from the creditor(s) indicated in your credit report."

So not only will they ding you for where you shop, but also if other people who used your mortgage lender aren't up to speed on their payments.

An Amex spokeswoman wouldn't say which stores raise flags and added that the list is constantly changing. She told MSNBC that looking at where you shop and who your mortgage lender is are part of "a holistic look at someone's overall credit profile."

Related reading:

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Your lifestyle may hurt credit score

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How to win the credit-score game

Comments

 

Sheesh! Wow, talk about "Big Brother" watching us! It will be interesting to see what they do to our credit limits, based upon where we shop. We shop where we get the best "deals", whether it's Macy's or Walmart, Target or Safeway or Costco. We literally charge everything, and we pay it off every month. No outstanding balances on any cards, which, of course, the credit card companies HATE, because they make no money off of us, just off of the stores who have to pay them a percentage of each credit transaction. The only reason we charge everything we can is either for the discounts offered by Amex, for example, or airline miles.

We, too, could convert to cash, but hate carrrying cash around.

Let's look at it from another direction:  whether this is a smart or dumb move is ultimately the card issuer's problem.  But it is also rightfully and fairly the card issuer's decision, because ultimately they're in the business to make money and so long as they don't violate laws (that's a big "if," obviously-- but nothing illegal is being described HERE) it's perfectly fair and appropriate that they decide who to lend money to and under what terms.  Is this shopper profiling actually useful information?  Well, how would I know?  (But I imagine it is).  Really, it's not all that different in spirit from auto insurer's charging a C student a higher premium than an A student with an identical driving record.  Some CATEGORIES of customers actually ARE better than others, even if not all individual customers within those categories conform to the behavior of others within the categories to which they belong.  Still, the company has to start somewhere.

It's also perfectly fair and appropriate for a customer to look for a different lender or... gasp... pay with cash instead of credit.  Give 'em a good ol' fashioned dose of "I'm takin' my biz-ness elsewhere"!

People need to stop taking their credit limits personally. Do you need a 10K limit? That's what got us into this mess.

I just can't wait until we start hearing from the politicians that it's our patriotic duty to go out and spend money. They'll all want us maxing out our credit cards for the good of the economy. If they wanted to do what was good for the US citizens, they'd outlaw credit cards. Nothing good has come from them. Just a lot of spending on junk from China no one really needs.

Bank of America credit card has reduced my credit limit after I failed to pay the amount. I was so busy that I failed..but ended up with reduced credit limit.

I'm a professional also, but I'm sure glad I'm not a snob like Mr. John Doe-no wonder he's John Doe, I'd hide too with an attitude like that.  More likely a wannabee janitor. And that's an insult to most janitors I know.  If AmEx is really just for "professionals", then tell them to quit marketing to everyone else-I guess they are just desperate and not getting enough cheapskate Blue Collars to support themselves.  Any way you look at it, their policy is just plain unjustifiable.  Wait until all those newly out of work professionals start not paying their bills, then Mr. Doe will get dinged for shoping at

all the high end snobby stores they all frequented-then he will start howling.  Best thing is to pay  off those cards and close them down, I'll take the temporary hit, no problem.  One card for travel and such is quite sufficient. Enough nonsense from those people.

If someone pays $50 a year for an American Express card to look important, they have serious issues that we can't deal with here.  (Try a Shrink).  If they have one of the no-fee AMEX cards, there's nothing there to impress anyone.

A credit card should be used only for moving money from one point to another.  Internet shopping and securing hotel reservations are examples.  The cash to pay the bill in full should already be in checking or a money market account.

I use a VISA from my local credit union.  It is free.  The 9.9% interest rate is OK, but I pay in full each month so it's not a concern.  There are benefits to using a local credit union.

- I am not a number.  They recognize me when I walk in the door.  That's much more effective than calling a customer service number.

- I am an owner.  With $206,000.00 on deposit I NEVER have any problems getting what I want.  People with smaller deposits don't have problems either.

Give it a try.  I think you will be pleasantly surprised!

I'm a Holistic Practitioner. This comment gives us a bad name. I got out of the credit card game about six years ago, and have bought within my means. It was tough at first, but I only use a debit card (from a community bank) and cash. I recently got a credit report with FICO scores (mine was 740 to 760, depending on the reporting) and they actually advised me to get a couple of credit cards to increase my score!! Looking at what these clowns are doing to their good customers is an outrage! By the way, because of the bailout my student loans reduced the amount I could borrow by a significant amount (enough to make me concerned about being able to graduate in the spring on federal loans), increased the rate, and have sent me notices to remind me about when repayment would begin. This is WITH a good credit rating!

This is why we went debt free this year. I couldn't care less if we have credit any more. We do just fine on cash, and since our home is paid for, we don't need credit for a mortgage.

If there is a medical emergency, we both have medical insurance.

Citibank received a big chunk of TARP money and cancelled my zero balance credit card thereby reducing my ability to access the $16,000 in credit I had with them.  They got the TARP money so they would extend credit.   Instead of giving credit, they wanted to buy a big corporate jet with the money.  Washington suggested they not do that.  The money has evaporated now and hasn't helped relieve the credit crunch or the economic slump we have.   The bailout is like a popped balloon.  Poof.

The reason I never got a credit card with AmEx is because in my younger years, when I worked retail, dealing with the so-called customer service people was a nightmare. They were snobbish and hard to deal with, and I decided I didn't want to deal with a company like that with my personal funds. Now that I'm reading this post, I sure am glad I didn't! Dinging a responsible customer's credit because someone ELSE has a bad score? Holy *@#$ ! I have a small balance with another company, and although they've treated me right (so far), I'm paying it off and going to cash only, just to be safe. The Mastercard logo on my debit card should suffice.

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