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Does your frugality drive everyone nuts?

Posted Nov 17 2008, 12:02 PM by Donna Freedman
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Frugal behavior is often considered weird, embarrassing or just plain cheap, even by the folks who profess to love you. Family and friends may pass judgment on, say, the fact that you save extra catsup packets from fast food restaurants, shop at thrift stores or pick up change in parking lots.

Something as simple as using a manufacturer's coupon can send some people over the edge. Just ask a Smart Spending message board reader posting as "Tightwad_Amy."

"My boyfriend mocks my coupons," she lamented. Recently she saw a coupon on the ground outside a grocery store and, of course, picked it up. "I got an eye roll and an 'oh, jeez' from him."

Reader "NoAngel21659" also takes flak from friends about using coupons. "It isn't weird, though, by any means," NoAngel writes. These friends also think it's weird to pick up dropped coins, and weirder still not to automatically put the change from one's purchase into tip jars.

It's not that these two are forcing others to stockpile condiments, clip coupons or stiff the barista. Apparently, the fact that they do it is enough to offend family or friends.

Taco sauce and free worms
Reader "Katmandu42" saves extra sweet-and-sour sauce or catsup packets plus any unused napkins from fast-food joints. "I won't say this makes my friends crazy," the reader notes, "but it does keep them amused."

Could be worse, though: Katmandu42 knows of a guy who painstakingly empties saved catsup packets into a bottle. This same guy dated an employee at his workplace cafeteria "because she saved him leftovers."

(OK, even I find that a bit over the top. Besides, if you're going to date for food, why not woo someone who works at a swell restaurant? You know, sirloin instead of steam tables.)

A woman posting as "Lynn D" notes that those condiment packets are useful when packing a brown-bag lunch. And about those lunches: Lynn D favors a sandwich-sized plastic container over use-and-toss sandwich bags. Her significant other hates this eco-friendly habit because the plastic container is, to him, "one more thing to wash."

Then again, her sweetheart tosses out cans and bottles rather than turning them in for the deposit. Lynn D won't do that, because she wants the money.

(So would I, if I lived in a state with deposit laws.)

A woman posting as "realtycheck" makes compost for her vegetable garden. What's not to like, right? Ask her family. "For some reason, burying table scraps in the compost bin is 'gross' to them," the reader writes. But she loves turning scraps into free fertilizer -- and as a bonus, she winds up with a lot of free fishing bait, "as worms love table scraps."

(If it were me, I'd pull a Little Red Hen on them and decline to share the veggies or the fish. Let 'em grow/catch their own.)

Saved soap, cheap clothes
Katmandu42 recounted another frugal tip, which "made the ex-husband crazy." That former spouse used a ton of bar soap and left slivers of it everywhere. Katmandu42 would put the bits and pieces into a mesh onion bag and tie it shut to create a kind of frugalist's bath pouf. Used this way, the slivers "lather up faster than one bar, and don't wind up in the trash or down the drain."

(The mesh probably exfoliates, too.)

Reader "Talk2Me2" writes that her pals think she is "too cheap" for utilizing yard sales. Never mind that this reader regularly finds unworn clothing bearing original store tags, or unused items still in store boxes. Apparently it would have been acceptable if they'd been bought in the stores, at full price. But bought outdoors and for pennies on the dollar? Too cheap.

One time the reader forgot to remove a piece of masking tape marked "$1" from her daughter's slacks before they went to a party. A so-called friend made a big deal of taking the tape off and chiding, "I think you forgot to remove the price tag!"

Talk2Me2's response? She took the piece of tape and remarked, "A dollar? How embarrassing! I'd never pay that much for jeans."

Also on the subject of clothes: Does anybody here have a problem with clotheslines? "Shawn in AK" shocked her mother-in-law by hanging clothes to dry. "She was just kind of appalled," Shawn writes. "She said she doesn't have time for that."

Here's a funny coincidence: Shawn's electric bill went up almost $20 during MIL's visit.

A penny spurned is a lecture earned
"Ororojo" saves soft-drink caps because both Pepsi and Coca-Cola have rewards programs. This habit drove a friend just bonkers when the two vacationed together. "I kept looking into garbage bins," Ororojo admits.

Reader "Librian" also harvests soft-drink caps from garbage cans. "My husband thinks I'm crazy," she says -- yet he doesn't turn down the free sodas or free movie tickets that she gets with her rewards points.

Reader "M. Pinar" delights in getting free samples from the Internet. Some go in Christmas stockings, many get donated to women's shelters -- and all are the subject of ridicule from M.'s family.

That is, until it's time to travel. Suddenly those tiny bottles of shampoo looked awfully convenient.

"Some of them eventually had to come to me for stuff they could put in a Ziploc," the reader recounts.

If you're the kind of person who picks up spare change, you've probably heard more than a few comments that begin with "eeeewww." That is, unless you're savvy enough to be a solo prospector. Nobody sees runner "Goldistewart" find money, which she does almost daily. On one windy day she scooped up $16 in paper currency, but generally she finds pennies -- apparently some people think these are too much trouble to pick up.

A woman posting as "KandRsmom" used a found penny as an object lesson. Upon finding 11 cents in change, she gave the coins to her 5-year-old son. He tossed the penny aside. She told him never to throw money away. He replied that he threw away the penny, not the dime.

"I made him give me the dime," she writes. "My husband thinks I was a little harsh, but I think he needs to learn that money is money and when you throw it away you don't have any."

(Here's hoping that lesson sinks in. And here's hoping someone who really needed that penny found it.)

Why so judgmental?
It's not as though the folks who criticize frugality don't have their own less-than-lovable personality traits. Next time someone criticizes your saving strategies, bring up something like reality-TV fanaticism or toilet-seat positioning. We all have our little quirks. Live and let live, already.

That said, at times it might be kindest not to make a big deal about frugality. When you're out in public with your teen, stooping to pick up a penny could turn that son or daughter inside out with embarrassment. Of course, the very fact that you exist at all is enough to humiliate them.

But they may get over it, in time. Reader "geri a" said her careful shopping habits drove her teenage son crazy. One day she explained how much she'd saved by shopping that way, and "he realized the money I was saving was buying them school lunches and stuff."

Now the young man has himself wised up to things like seasonal clearance sales. "My son can now get a great wardrobe, including shoes, for under $100," geri a notes. "I have created a monster. But a frugal one!"

Revenge is a dish best eaten cold. And, whenever possible, on sale.

Comments

 

I think some people are so focused on pinching pennies that it consumes their life to a certain extent.  Instead of just living their lives, they always worry about spending an extra ten cents.

I try to be practical and save money too, but at some point I have to cut myself some slack.  

As a jr.high kid in the 70's my folks didn't have alot of money to "GIVE" my brother and I for allowance...so if we wanted pocket money we scavanged...yep we picked up EVERY penny on the ground, picked up pop bottles for deposit--even had an arrangementment with a couple of the local bars to pick up their aluminum cans for recycling--they were just tossing them. Also bugged neighbors to do chores like walking dogs, washing cars, or bringing in garbage cans or papers. I remember how proud I was when I finally had enough money to buy a BRAND new bicycle and not have my brother's old one.. if nothing else we sure learned the value of a dollar, to be very proactive and how not to let opportunities go by... folks nowadays don't seem to have that mindset. Maybe because we're too soft...

Loved the article and the ladies. I shop 'Sallies' all the time - that's what my church calls the Salvation Army. So many bargains and expensive furniture if you go to the right locations. It's funny, between the SA and EBay I haven't paid full price for anything in well over a year? I don't think I could ever go back to it. Why would I spend $100+ for a suit when I can find one online for $10-15 or in the SA new with tags for $20-30? You have to know where to shop and for what items. For me, there's a SA I go to that has all great furniture, but expensive and you have to have a truck ready when you go. I've bought tv's, stereos, furnished my whole apartment etc. There are other SA's that only have good women's and children's clothing. So I carry a big bag with wheels, and bring a bag lunch because I know I'll be there a few hours. I've even found an SA that sells great handbags and new, in the box gifts. what others thorw away as useless items, I wrap and give as gifts - they ARE still new in the original packaging. Lastly, and I praise God for this part - if there's anything I get home that I can't use, I give it to the church, usually baged with a few extra handbags and shoes for needy families. To me it's recycling and it takes the focus off of money being so important. Thank God for great families who aren't afraid to part with knick-knacks and old items that I can definitely use and pass onto someone else. PS - I saw two construction workers checking out watches in an expensive store window - I told them to try EBAY. I paid $60 for a really fancy watch that's definitely real. That way they have more money to save and spend on their kids. God bless you in your bargain hunting. I know He's blessed me in my own!

Joe SixPack: I agree that obsession is no fun. It's not easy to be around people who constantly carp about how much everything is costing them -- or constantly crow about how little something has cost them.

Moderation in all things. (Including moderation.)

Thanks for your comment, and for reading Smart Spending.

Best regards,

Donna Freedman

Just this morning, I went to Burger King for breakfast. Yeah, it's not thrifty, but I did snag a few extra packets of ketchup for my stash at work. Also, I grabbed some of the jelly/jam packets because I've been eating peanut butter sandwiches at work. So today... I had a peanut butter AND JELLY sandwich!!! And a few extra napkins to wipe my mouth! :)

I just don't have the knack, I guess.   I watch my spending and occasionally get a great bargain.  But I cannot seem to find the daily bargains that others boast about.  I needed a pair of winter gloves, so I went to a local consignment shop to look.  Not one pair of gloves available.  Not one.  I did not want to waste gasoline driving to all available second hand shops.  Found a reasonably priced pair on sale at Sears.  

This kind of thing happens to me all the time.  I don't enjoy shopping, so don't frequent garage sales and flea markets.  If I need it or want it and I have the money I get it.  Once in a while I get it half price.

In our quest to dig ourselves out of debt, my husband & I have become even MORE frugal this year (we didn't think it possible, but it has indeed happened).

However, despite our frugal ways, we are probably happier now than ever before (getting rid of 30k in debt has really helped out there). The one area where we continue to "splurge", is with food. We both love to eat, but even there with careful shopping and an eagle eye for discounts we create the most fabulous "from scratch" meals at home. The other day we had a better-than-restaurant-quality dinner for 7 or 8 dollars. For the whole meal. NOT each. Fresh fish was on the menu at that meal, along with an excellent wine, and a few side dishes.

No, we didn't find the stuff dumpster diving (we're kinda clean freaks) or by shoplifting. Just by keeping an open mind and looking for steep discounts.

I have also recently become a convert to shopping at second-hand stores. I tried this before we moved to the desert and like Melody, could never find anything. Maybe where I live now is just a better market. Anyway, at one store here which seems especially promising I have seen higher-end labels on the racks (Ann Taylor, Kenneth Cole, GAP, Abercrombie and Fitch, Nike, Ralph Lauren, J. Crew)

As for picking up change (we both do it), my husband told me a story he once heard from a guy who picked up change regularly: Apparently, this guy picked up enough change over the course of year to make a charitable donation between 80-100 dollars every year. Might not seem like a lot, but depending on the recipient organization, it could potentially change a person's life.

I don't see what is wrong with any of these frugal habits.My family has learned to appreciate all the additional stuff we can have, like horses, since we are not frivolous with money in other areas.My parents even bring their compostable garbage for my bin, and table scraps to feed our chickens, and appreciate any extra eggs and vegetables  we have to give away.I actually repurposed a diaper-champ baby diaper thing(paid $5 at a thrift store) into the "compost-genie" to collect compost in the kitchen until we take it out to the bin.We use it for coffee grounds, teabags,eggshells,banana peels, anything compostable.At least 75% of our wardrobes are from thrift stores as I don't have time to chase yard sales, and some of our furniture, too.I have become so knowledgable about energy saving and reduce/reuse/recycle that friends and co-workers actually ask me for ideas sometimes.I did laugh this summer when my neighbor's elderly mother saw me hanging laundry outside and asked her "Doesn't she have a dryer?".My neighbor laughed when she told me about it,and told her mom I hang laundry because it is better for the environment and cheaper too.It is funny because so many older people were raised without dryers, but now it is unthinkable to hang laundry if you don't have to.They are both great people, so I didn't take offense.They have been amazed at the number of things I am able to repurpose, like using empty paper feed sacks and newspapers and cardboard under mulch in the garden instead of landscape fabric.We pick up trash around the road that runs by our  property and recycle the cans.It annoys me that we have to do this because  some people are too lazy to dispose of their trash in their own garbage, but at least if we can recycle some of it...heck, it is still irritating how people can be litterbugs under any circumstances.

Anyone wanting to reduce phantom electric use should look into "smart strip" power strips. They were featured on Oprah and shut down automatically when you turn off the "master" item, like the TV or computer tower.The power to "secondary" outlets shuts off phantom power to things like the DVD player or computer monitor and printer.I found a Philips brand for less than $25 at Wal-mart, which is comparable to a good surge protector, and it saves electricity automatically.We have also started using vinegar and baking soda for most household cleaning as they are economical and effective.I am not willing to pay extra just because something has "green" on the label-that's just "green-washing".We have a super efficient agitator -free toploading(my husband doesn't trust frontloaders not to leak) washer that does bigger loads, is easier on clothes, uses less detergent and water, and gets clothes "drier" from the spin cycle so they take less time to dry.It cost more upfront than a standard washer, but it has been well worth it.

Both of my sisters are in shock at the stellar, frugal bargains I bring home. They don't believe my methodology is worth the time or the effort. I explained that I believe in Craigslist Karma: if you give, you shall receive. Recently a woman my size was desperate for clothes to wear to her new job in an office, so I went through my closet and gave her a big bag of well-loved hand-me-downs. She thanked me profusely. The next day, someone responded to my wanted ad for a doggie door--I was willing to pay for it--and said that they didn't want anything, just knowing my dogs would be warm this winter was enough. They still don't believe that the time and energy my frugality takes is worth it, but I don't need their approval. I have a free doggie door ($200 new!) and closet full of cute stuff from my favorite 2nd hand stores.

I do almost all of the things that Donna wrote about. Compost, recycle, thrift stores and garage sales, etc.There are sheets hanging on my line right now, it's snowing and November in Michigan. As for the bar soap, my grandma always stuck the old  soap sliver, to the top of the new bar. I do it too. That way none of it goes to waste.

I don't care who likes my frugality, or doesn't. They aren't paying my bills, I am.

When my kids tease me, I remind them the money I save, makes all our lives better.

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