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A rant against the credit card debt-forgiveness plan

Posted Nov 10 2008, 08:24 PM by Karen Datko
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A consumer group has joined with big financial companies to ask the government to approve a plan that would let overextended credit card users off the hook for up to 40% of what they owe.

"What? Are you kidding me?" Aryn writes at Sound Money Matters. She can understand a bailout plan for struggling homeowners because some people were misled by mortgage brokers, but, she adds, "no one was forced to use a credit card."

An Associated Press article details the proposal by the Consumer Federation of America and the Financial Services Roundtable. It says, in part:

Nearly all the biggest credit card banks have agreed to a temporary pilot program in which lenders would forgive as much as 40% of the amount consumers owe, allowing them to pay back the remainder over time, they said. ... Current government rules don't allow lenders to offer repayment plans that reduce the amount of principal owed and borrowers to repay the balance over a period of several years.

The pilot program could help an estimated 50,000 people now in dire straits, and perhaps many more. How much debt would be forgiven -- between 10% and 40% -- would be based on the individual case after each person enrolled in credit counseling.

What's in it for the credit card issuers, who are facing soaring credit card charge-off rates? MSN Money's Liz Pullium Weston explains in an article called "Feel like a sucker? You're not alone," "The issuers figure getting something out of these debtors is better than getting nothing if they stop paying or file for bankruptcy."

There are other benefits as well. Consumers would have five years to pay off the unforgiven debt -- interest-free, by the way -- instead of several months, and would not have to pay taxes on the forgiven portion until the remaining debt is paid off. Banks could delay writing off the losses for five years.

Aryn has an opinion about all of that. "We already have a system to forgive credit card debt. They call it bankruptcy," she says in her post. The plan isn't "fair to those of us who are responsible with our money, and it sends the wrong message to banks and people who choose not to be."

On the other hand, all of these financial woes are related and are driving the entire economy down, Weston says. David Lazarus at the Los Angeles Times agrees that the plan may seem unfair. "Yet these are indeed extraordinary times. And we'll all benefit economically if consumers get back on their feet as quickly as possible," he writes.

Comments

 

Not everyone spends irresponsibly...some people in a financial pinch will put food, diapers, and other bills on their credit cards due to job loss and etc.

NOT a good idea for those who just want extra shoes and a nicer car.

GREAT idea for those who racked up credit card debt because they were struggling and it was either charge the food or go hungry. Heat the house or freeze.

What is the only thing that multiplies faster than a rabbit? People wanting a hand out!  Sorry Charlie!  No compassion!  I grew up on food surplus.  I worked for what I got.  That meant scrimping, saving and doing without! It meant learning the value of a penny.  Why should I do that for someone else?  GIVE a man a fish, he will eat today.  TEACH a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime.  Offer them free classes to change their lifestyle and let them sleep in the bed they made.  

People who "put charges on a card to eat vs. starve" still ate the food, and must pay for it! For whatever the reason you charged something, YOU still chose to charge it, and you have to pay for what you used. I'm sick of my tax dollars being used to bail out people who were too irresponsible to manage their finances. If, when the credit card balance began to get a little heavy, you STOPPED using the credit card, you wouldn't have the exorbitant bills to deal with. I'm not fond of my credit card bills either, but I'm paying them and not expecting someone else to be responsible for MY debt.

Hello! What?!

How is this fair to those of us who take our debt responsibly? Honor the contracts we signed? And have been working our butts off and sacrificed to do what's right (pay off the debt?)

Oh wait, I know, honor is dead in this country. So is sacrifice and responsiblity.

This makes me so furious.

The main problem with simply forgiving the debt, it that it will not addresses the individuals problem.  They will most likely end up right back in debt, because they haven't changed their way of life.  Debt forgiveness doesn't make a someone responsible.  Lowering the interest rates would be an excellent alternative.

Blueowl Finance (Posted 11.10.08 10:13 PM

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Blueowl, you are so right.

I knew a couple who declared bankruptcy. Within the week after it was finalized, the husband had applied for and been approved for a credit card to which he quickly charged drinks and Lego sets.

They learned absolutely nothing from declaring bankruptcy.

Is the amount forgiven considered income?  That way they still have to pay taxes on it. Or at least these people should not be able to take out more credit for 5 or 10 years, pay for everything with cash.  I agree with some others, if the cc companies just lower the interest rates, it would make it easier to payoff ALL the debt.  

Lets just bailout everyone and be done with it (Posted 11.11.08 9:16

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Oh, I am sure that the government would carve out an exception in the tax laws.

I agree that the interest rates can be outrageous. But they reflect the risk the companies take.  I am not sure legislation is the answer. I can imagine a scenario where banks restrict extension of credit to those with excellent credit ratings and income.

Can't say that would be a bad thing, but how long until we get a CRA for credit cards?

you expect me to feel sorry for mothers with kids, stuck paycheck to paycheck, drowning in debt?

No way.

how are you more special than me, that you get a bailout?

rant on me all you like, that i can't know how hard it is to have kids in this financial turmoil. that i can't know what it's like. that's fine, but as a single person and taxpayer i'm sick to death of paying for everyone else to have it easy.

Slightly Disgruntled (Posted 11.11.08 11:27 AM

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Oh Slightly, you are just evil and mean. Where is your heart? Think of the children. (sarcasm)

Honestly, I chose not to have kids precisely so I wouldn't have to think about them. That is up to their parents (There's a word for that: Responsibility). As for supporting my retirement: I will do that for myself, thanks anyway.

Not everyone spends irresponsibly...some people in a financial pinch will put food, diapers, and other bills on their credit cards due to job loss and etc.

NOT a good idea for those who just want extra shoes and a nicer car.

GREAT idea for those who racked up credit card debt because they were struggling and it was either charge the food or go hungry. Heat the house or freeze.

M (Posted 11.11.08 11:53 AM )

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What? How did they get themselves in a pinch without enough cash to meet their basic needs? Why not increase income rather than use someone else's money? Why not go to a food bank? No need to worry about paying anyone back then. Why not have food stockpiled?  A savings account for the heat? The mortgage? Food? Diapers?

It's called planning ahead. It's a component of responsibility.

Actually kitty, making the amount that is forgiven taxable income is a legitimate question.  If you short sell your home, meaning the bank allows you to sell your home for what you can get for it and not what you owe on it and the bank forgives the rest, the amount forgiven by the bank is considered income and it is taxable.  I would think that this would be considered the same.

How about a cross list check to compare names that need a mortgage bailout to the names that need a credit card bailout?  My guess is that a lot of people would show up on both lists.

I have a lot more sympathy for people who have lost their jobs and are trying make it work.  The keep up with the Jones group who bought houses they couldn't afford then used the credit cards to buy all the toys, etc: not so much. I had to use cc's to survive after getting zero'd out in a divorce then losing my job a few months later, but I only used to pay the rent, court ordered support, utilities and a few groceries.  Few enough I lost weight.  I also felt the pain of 20% interest on cash advances, (the only thing the landlord and court would accept)  but I paid it off.

I think a lot of people here have the best answer; make the interest rate low enough that people can see the light at the end of the tunnel.  Old school maybe, but think people want to pay their debt feel better if they can and do.

It's the interest rate not the balance!

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