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A rant against the credit card debt-forgiveness plan

Posted Nov 10 2008, 08:24 PM by Karen Datko
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A consumer group has joined with big financial companies to ask the government to approve a plan that would let overextended credit card users off the hook for up to 40% of what they owe.

"What? Are you kidding me?" Aryn writes at Sound Money Matters. She can understand a bailout plan for struggling homeowners because some people were misled by mortgage brokers, but, she adds, "no one was forced to use a credit card."

An Associated Press article details the proposal by the Consumer Federation of America and the Financial Services Roundtable. It says, in part:

Nearly all the biggest credit card banks have agreed to a temporary pilot program in which lenders would forgive as much as 40% of the amount consumers owe, allowing them to pay back the remainder over time, they said. ... Current government rules don't allow lenders to offer repayment plans that reduce the amount of principal owed and borrowers to repay the balance over a period of several years.

The pilot program could help an estimated 50,000 people now in dire straits, and perhaps many more. How much debt would be forgiven -- between 10% and 40% -- would be based on the individual case after each person enrolled in credit counseling.

What's in it for the credit card issuers, who are facing soaring credit card charge-off rates? MSN Money's Liz Pullium Weston explains in an article called "Feel like a sucker? You're not alone," "The issuers figure getting something out of these debtors is better than getting nothing if they stop paying or file for bankruptcy."

There are other benefits as well. Consumers would have five years to pay off the unforgiven debt -- interest-free, by the way -- instead of several months, and would not have to pay taxes on the forgiven portion until the remaining debt is paid off. Banks could delay writing off the losses for five years.

Aryn has an opinion about all of that. "We already have a system to forgive credit card debt. They call it bankruptcy," she says in her post. The plan isn't "fair to those of us who are responsible with our money, and it sends the wrong message to banks and people who choose not to be."

On the other hand, all of these financial woes are related and are driving the entire economy down, Weston says. David Lazarus at the Los Angeles Times agrees that the plan may seem unfair. "Yet these are indeed extraordinary times. And we'll all benefit economically if consumers get back on their feet as quickly as possible," he writes.

Comments

 

Look, the whole idea is for credit card companies to get 60% rather than 0% of the money they owe.  People get bailed out through bankruptcy every day (and often it's because of serious issues beyond their control.  Of course, it often isn't.)  People who are seriously delinquent on their unsecured loans are frequently offered settlements in which they pay half of the debt and the rest is forgiven.  I'm sorry, this is nothing new.  

I'd rather see repayment plans like these administered through a Chapter 13 bankruptcy filing, though, in which the court determines the amount the filer can reasonably pay and appoints a trustee to arrange payment with creditors.  I doubt very much that the cc company is motivated by an altruistic desire to get the consumer back on his feet.

This is ridiculous! But I also think bailing out homeowners who were "misled" by mortgage brokers is stupid!  I don't understand what people were thinking when the signed on the dotted line- eventually the rate was gonna adjust and their payment was gonna go up...morons

I'm a small business owner who's business is weather dependent and tied to the price of oil, nice combination. Some times I have had to use cc to fill in the voids when customers dont pay on time and material prices increase by 4 fold after a contract is set for a specific price. I have never defalted on anything, but over the past few years I've been late way to many times. The 30% interest and late fees should be a crime it's legal robbery.  I will pay my bill's but at these interest rates it makes my chance of expanding and hiring more people almost zero. I have paid a few things off lately and it helps, but if these cc were 8% they would have been gone a long time ago.  

I am sick and tired of doing the right thing. By this I mean buying a house that I could afford and going through 10 years of renavations as we saved the money and then did a project. I don't charge more than I can pay off in a month and I am 52 years old and have never had a new car...by the way not that I could not afford one, just thought the money would be better used for  my retirement....We are in the situation that we are in 1. due to the greed of the mortage companies and there shady deals and 2 people buying what they knew they could not afford. America needs to get back to basics, can't afford it don't have it....it is not up to the ones who have done the right thing to have to bail out these losers yes they are losers. And by the way I am not bashing someone who thought the I's were dotted and the T's were crossed and then had the carpet pulled from them because they lost their jobs or due to an illness. But again I bought with those things in mind...And I have lost a great amount of money in mutual funds due to others inapprioprate behavior. So sorry if I am bitter.

I make next to nothing in my child care job, but I do learn some things about human behavior.  If you give candy (bailouts) to one kid (company) , be prepared that everyone else will start clamoring for his share, pouting (I need the bailout or jobs will be lost!) and you had better be ready for a flood of screaming, demanding kids. I am so disgusted at where my taxes are going.

Is the amount forgiven considered income?  That way they still have to pay taxes on it. Or at least these people should not be able to take out more credit for 5 or 10 years, pay for everything with cash.  I agree with some others, if the cc companies just lower the interest rates, it would make it easier to payoff ALL the debt.  

The problem today is that people have no reason to straighten their finances or bust their butts to fix the problem.  The government will now just come in and wipe the slate clean.  Now there is not even the shame of bankruptcy to act as a deterrant.  

We need to go back to the old days when you either dealt with your money problems or you got kicked out on the street and went hungry.  Maybe the prospect of homelessness or starvation could be a motivator for people to do the right thing.

If I have to bailout, with my tax dollars, irresponsible homeowners who took mortgages they couldn't afford, I don't see the difference between them and the people who need help getting out of credit card debt. They both bit off more than they could chew and the rest of us now have to pay for it!

you expect me to feel sorry for mothers with kids, stuck paycheck to paycheck, drowning in debt?

No way.

how are you more special than me, that you get a bailout?

rant on me all you like, that i can't know how hard it is to have kids in this financial turmoil. that i can't know what it's like. that's fine, but as a single person and taxpayer i'm sick to death of paying for everyone else to have it easy.

I think if they would just lower teh interest to a reasonable rate and eliminate the excessive fees most of us would be more than willing to pay what we owe.  However, when companies charge excessive rates and outrageous fees, we get frustrated and tempted to just stop paying and let them  charge it off.  At least when it goes to collection they ususally stop the fees and lower the interest as welll as offering settlement options.  I'm sorry but when you have made payments > min. every month for 5-6 years (albeit occassionally a couple of days late) and the total paid is 2-3 times what you originally charged but the balance is still more than you originally charged and keeps growing every month due to interest and fees (ie overlimit and if you're even a day late late fees) It becomes impossible to justify shelling out that payment out of a tight budget.  I'm not saying that they should forgive any that was orginally charged, however if they refunded the majority of the fees and charged a reasonable interest rate, most of us would have these cards paid off in no time.  Why should they bail out banks that made high risk predatory loans but offer no help to the average consumer who just wants to see light at the end of the tunnel.  I definitely want to pay what I owe, I am just sick of being raped by the bank in interest, fees,  and finance charges.

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