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This isn't your grandparents' recession

Posted Oct 13 2008, 11:09 AM by Donna Freedman
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When the going gets tough, it's tempting to invoke our grandparents and their tribulations during the Great Depression. A Smart Spending message board reader posting as "jestjack" started a thread called "Where are my grandparents when I need them?"

"These were some of the most thrifty, smart, industrious, hard-working, and honorable folks," he wrote. "Boy, could we use their wit and wisdom in these troubled times."

I'm about to commit cultural heresy: Not everything our grandparents had to offer would be helpful.

My paternal grandparents, who married in 1935, knew an awful lot about living on an awful little. They'd make most of us modern frugalists look like Rockefellers.

But allow me to point out an irritating fact: The world was different then. When you look at our grandparents' lives in context, you'll see that it was easier to manage on relatively little. Not more comfortable, or more fun -- just easier.

We can't all raise pigs
Let me be clear on this: I am not saying that the Depression generation couldn't teach us all a thing or two about frugality. Advice on topics like sewing, scratch cooking, home repair and no-cost entertainment could be of great use.

But some of their advice just wouldn't fit the reality of many Americans' lives. For example, not all of us have the physical space (or the zoning) to grow a garden or raise pigs. We're limited to what we can buy in the store, and basic food prices are soaring.

If a child outgrew his shoes back in the 1930s, his parents might have simply slit open the ends. His toes would stick out, but it sure beat having them pinched all day. Or he might have gone to school barefoot. These days, either solution would warrant a visit from the Division of Family and Children's Services.

Maybe your grandpa walked three miles to work to save a nickel streetcar fare. Good for him. But that simply wouldn't be safe in many areas today, especially for a lone woman. Besides, many people live very, very far from their workplaces because of the way our cities and suburbs have developed.

If the family did have a vehicle and it broke down, likely either Grandpa or a great-uncle could fix it. Modern cars have computerized innards that daunt most shade-tree mechanics.

And what about car insurance? Or homeowners insurance, private mortgage insurance, health insurance -- do you think Grandma and Grandpa spent thousands of dollars on these each year? Burial insurance, maybe.

White gravy and grimy shirts
Our notions of minimum comfort have changed, too. I'm not talking about the way some people can't seem to live without cable TV or a cell phone. I'm talking about our love for things like frequent showers, clean laundry and balanced diets.

Sure, laundry and baths were harder to manage. But they didn't happen as often. It wasn't unusual to bathe just once a week and "wash up" in between, or to wear the same clothes for several days. Today's water bills reflect daily showers and hair washings, plus the laundering of towels, sheets and seven outfits per person per week.

Don't forget to add in the cost of electricity or gas to heat the bathwater and to run the washer, dryer and clothes iron -- or for that matter, the costs of shampoo, conditioner, body wash, deodorant, razors, shaving gel, facial moisturizer, lotion, laundry soap and fabric softener.

Food back then was a simpler proposition: You ate what you had. If you were poor and all you had was flour and lard, you'd probably eat a lot of biscuits and white gravy. Imagine implementing that menu for days on end in modern times. The same DCFS worker who nagged you about your barefoot kid would return; only this time she might take your children away.

But that probably wouldn't happen, because now we can charge our groceries -- also because a lot of people don't know how to make biscuits, and because they're afraid of lard.

There's no comparison
Again: I am not saying that we couldn't learn a lot from our elders.  But I think it's facile and even a little dangerous to get too pious about how our grandparents coped with the Great Depression and how we should be able to handle a little economic downturn, or even a big one.

Their world was just too different. It was harsher in some ways, such as the fact that if the bank failed you'd never see your money again. But a number of social and cultural pressures that we now face didn't exist in the 1930s.

You weren't expected to go to college, let alone go into crushing debt to pay for it. You weren't considered a loser if you worked with your hands. You weren't a failure if you didn't have a home of your own by the time you were 30.

Besides, underneath all those collective, sepia-toned Great Depression memories lie some pretty unpleasant realities: malnutrition, poor sanitation, a lack of medical care, institutionalized oppression. Homes were foreclosed upon back then, too. Some men deserted their families because they couldn't provide for them; some committed suicide for the same reason.

There's plenty to be learned by reading about the Great Depression, especially oral histories of the folks who lived through it. But please don't fall into the trap of thinking that (a) we've become soft and lazy and can't take a little adversity or (b) that things were "better" back then because people pitched in and made do.

There's some truth in both statements. Some people today consider it a sacrifice just to give up going to restaurants, and some folks back then were desperately poor but still fairly happy. But the fact remains that today some people are in big trouble not because they're lazy, but because of complex personal, national and global economic issues.

Don't over-romanticize the past, either. Americans have a tendency to wax nostalgic about simpler times. They were simple, all right: A simple matter of national heritage could keep you out of the running for a good job. A simple sniffle could lead to pneumonia and almost certain death. And simply put, nobody wants to be the kid whose toes stick out of his shoes.

Comments

 

I understand and agree to a point with this post. However, many of the "sacrifices" people are currently making are anything but.

Canceled vacations? Not shopping at Whole Foods? Buying things on sale? Eating out maybe once a week?  Not spending so much on Christmas presents?

It's not lazy, but it IS spoiled.

While I really like this site -- and typically appreciate Donna's input -- I think this column does a grave disservice by suggesting that modern Americans have it anywhere near as bad as people living through the 1930s. Twenty-first century America lives in a level of affluence and degree of comfort that would be the envy of any generation in human history. These are tough times, but we should thank our lucky stars for the blessings we enjoy as a direct result of the blood and toil of those who came before.

Well said Donna. I would agree.  After living with my grandmother (dad's mother) for a number of years... who was a child in the depression, story after story would arise of exactly how they pulled together and managed... not just as a family but as a community.  The greatest joy about her stories... were that she never lacked in anything... even during the most difficult of times.  And she was one lard cooking buscuit eating woman!  At 5ft 100lbs!  I suppose it was times like those and the ones we have today, which open doors to show us how blessed we truly are...

No one expects people to roll back 70 years of technological, political and economic progress. But, people today have lived beyond their means for at least a decade. It is not about giving up the every day necessities; our current economic environment does not require that in a modern industrial nation (if we were talking about rural India or China - that's something else). The personal debt issue is something that everyone should work on.

But, what I have always been disgusted by was that some people actually think that they actually, really deserve the ridiculous incomes that they earn (e.g. the entire financial industry, S&P500 executives, lawyers, plastic surgeons, ball players, celebrities, etc.) and the ridiculous spending and immoral behavior they justify to the world as they try to perpetuate this giant ego trip (e.g. those $10K trinkets can each pay for insurance for an entire family for a year). These are the sort of things that need to be fixed. The every day sort of extravagances that most people deal with are easy to handle in comparison. People can pay down their debts by conserving but what good is it if these big spenders have and continue to misspend enormous amounts of the nation's wealth on trinkets that add no lasting value whatsoever to the economy.

I think it's silly to compare today to to 80 years ago. Yes, "use it up, wear it out, make do, live without," applies today more than ever, but beyond that there's not a whole lot that translates.

Yes, things may get very bad. And, yes, I probably could pick up some tips from my grandmother. But despite the derisive tone that article takes, it is almost 2009 not 1929.

Many, many more Americans are no longer living in pure cities and rural areas. Nor are we commuting purely within cities or living completely agrarian lifestyles. Many people commute an hour or more each day to a job.  Moreover, the United States today is by and large a service economy. The economy is no longer  manufacturing-based, nor is it farm-based.

This makes a huge difference in terms of skill sets and support systems people have in place (how many of us have extended families within shouting distance?).

It's not some sort of moral failing to not know how to sew or enjoy a hot shower. Some of the things we now consider baseline comforts  didn't exist back then. I could certainly learn the former and give up the latter if it meant having food for my kids and shoes that keep their feet warm, and even more importantly keeping them healthy.

But to overthink it or romanticize those times little more than feed on the anxiety so many of us are living with these days.

Judy - You rock.  If more people recognized the ridiculousness of the entitlement mentality, we wouldn't be in this fix.

One of the best articles I've read on the subject.  It's time we all learn to live within our means and stop expecting a handout.  I've never inherited anything, won anything or otherwise received a "freebie".  Everything I have I owe to hard work and proper management.  This "right to have" mentallity, along with greed, is a major reason we are in this ecomonomic mess. It's time every one of us learn to care for ourselves, even if it does mean doing with less.  After all, cornbread and beans are better for us than the on-the-go fast food meal, and taste better!!!

The truth of the matter is that people do what feels good first. Bankruptcy and Foreclosure are no longer a "shameful" thing. People want what they can't afford and don't use their heads when the decided to make a purchase, they use their platic instead. Then the people that are responsible are expected to bail them out because they didn't read what they were signing or ask questions. What we can learn from our grandparents is that you do give stuff up when you can't afford them. You do take responsibilities for your actions and you work harder to pay your debts or provide for your family. Cable is not a need its a want. You need milk, you don't need pop, you drive to the store for several things, not just one, you bring your lunch if you can and cook at home, learn if you don't know how. It's all common sense, which is what our grandparents possesed that we don't.

...and the unemployment rate back then was 25% compared to approximately 6% today.

Great post, Donna!  We can learn from our grandparents and yes, our situation currently is different.  You've summed it up very well.

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