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Subprime loans, part 2: The college edition

Posted Oct 06 2008, 10:50 AM by Donna Freedman
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The front-page headline in Sunday's Seattle Times was an attention-grabber: "Young, educated and drowning in debt." The accompanying article told some scary, scary stories. One young couple in med school will finish with more than half a million dollars in loans between them. A man who graduated with $152,000 in debt finds that monthly payments eat up one-third of his salary -- and he has a good job.

Gargantuan loans taken out with no clear idea of how they'll be repaid. Sound familiar?

Actually, there's a crucial difference between subprime mortgages and student loans. You can't return your diploma to the school and walk away from college debt. In fact, such debt can't even be discharged in a bankruptcy. Student loans are with you until you pay them back.

Some of the people in the article made costly mistakes, such as choosing a pricey faraway university over cheaper local options. But such decisions aren't made in a vacuum. They're made because the students grew up in a society that encourages us to go after the top-drawer stuff -- homes, cars, gadgets, education -- whether or not we can actually afford it. Or whether we actually need it.

Buy now, pay for decades?
Once upon a time, college loans were worth the pain because a degree qualified you for higher-paying jobs. But that's not as true as it once was, according to an MSN Money article called "Is college worth the money?"

"Bottom line: College, particularly an expensive private college, is a high-risk investment which, for many, won't pay," personal-finance columnist Scott Burns writes.

Yet what I've heard, and also read on MSN Money message boards, is that high school students are routinely urged to apply to the "best" schools. Sure, you'll have to take out loans, they're told, but everybody does that.

More and more of those loans are from the private sector. Tuition has risen fivefold since the early 1980s, according to the Seattle Times article, and federal student loans can't keep pace. That's why private loans now account for 22% of all college financing, compared with only 5% in 1997.

These loans are often marketed directly to students, with no advice or oversight from the schools they select. Yes, I know that you're technically an adult when you graduate high school. But for heaven's sake, picture yourself at age 18. If you were lucky, your parents had tried to instill an idea of the true cost of any loan. But that doesn't mean you really understood it.

I'd be willing to bet that a majority of 18-year-olds are so naïve, so trusting of what their guidance counselors told them and, yes, so dazzled by the prospect of Harvard or Stanford or Vassar that they simply sign on the dotted line. After all, a diploma from one of the "best" schools always translates to a huge salary after graduation. They'll pay it back then.

Besides, some parents aren't warning their kids away from debt because they've bought into the hype, too. They may truly want what's best for their children and think that a "name" school is always preferable. Or they may just like the fact that Junior is going to Princeton. Worst-case scenario: They take out loans to help pay their kids' tuition, neglecting their own financial well-being.

Lives put on hold
I believe that American high-schoolers are being sold a bill of goods -- Top schools mean top dollars later on! -- that's damned difficult to pay for. That $152k debtor in the Seattle Times article makes $40,000 a year before taxes. His loans run him $1,000 a month.

And what about the ones who don't luck into decent jobs? They do temp work or pull coffee for $9 an hour while applying for jobs in the fields for which they studied. They either share a place with as many roommates as zoning allows, or land back with Mom and Dad.

How will this group of people manage to buy cars or homes? Or have families? Or fund retirement?

Just as with the subprime loan mess, it's tempting to dismiss drowning-in-debt students as a bunch of nitwits. They knew the cost going in. Why in the world would they sign up for loans they may not be able to afford?

Because that's the American way: Buy now, and don't worry about the "pay later" part. Just buy. If you want it, you should have it.

To all of you parents of teens: I am begging you to read MSN Money's "Family and college finances" articles. Discuss them with your kids. If they're still bent on "dream" schools, be very clear about what you can and cannot contribute. Help them decide whether four years of prestige is worth 10 or more years of grueling repayment.

And hey, all you high school seniors: Can't wait to get out of the house, huh? Imagine coming back to your childhood bedroom at age 22. That room might seem a little suffocating. Or possibly that's just how a hundred grand in debt feels to someone who hasn't yet earned a dime.

Comments

 

Hey, don't knock the rich, when the recession worsens they're the ones who will still be able to afford our services.

I went to a state school for the last 4 years and I now have to pay $1000.00 a month for the next 15 years. All on me. No Mommy or Daddy. ME. Oh well. It bothers me but I dont expect it to go away. However, I do have a hard time excepting that I am going to be stuck doing the same thing everyday for the next 15 years before I can relax.  Granted, I might get a different job every couple of years. That is, unless jobs dont exist next week when banks and ATMs stop existing. Anyhow, it isnt fun being 23 and knowing that as bad as I might have it, I dont see anyone around me doing any better.  Seriously, not one of my friends decisions after high school has put them anywhere better. They alll live at home. The private school kids, the military brats, my alums, or the kids that just got jobs after high school. We are all misserable, broke, and tired of working so damn hard for nothing. There is no escape. It's depressing.

UMASS and Andrea really speak volumes on how it really is.  So many graduates are under employed due to a lack of opportunities that adequately reward in remunerations and job satisfaction. Most jobs today are too low paying to even afford to live adequately. I've found myself in the conundrum of deciding whether to pay rent or get the phone turned off and reduce groceries. And then I couldn't afford a car which further restricted access to doing much more than riding a bus to a mall to work as you have to be mobile to do any good.  It doesn't surprise me that half of America makes less than $32,000 a year gross as the jobs pay peanuts with little opportunity to climb up.  The job market and economy is severely failing us due to the rich greedily operating in a laissez faire economy. Today, I'm teaching English in Korea for what was $2,600 a month earlier this year, but is now only $1800 due to a declining Korean Won value as a result of America not being able to afford to continue buying Korean exports on account of the credit crunch and poverty we've really got ourselves into.  The US dollar artificially maintains strength due to corrupt rich American manipulators while the world is taking a huge hit for our leaders big boondoggle.

We were duped into believing a college degree puts us in the middle class league where we would be qualified for jobs that allow us to prosper; not suffer in dire straights and debt at the same time.  Those of us coming from poor families where we had to put ourselves through college went to school for a shot at having a higher standard of living above low paying service jobs pushing coffee, clothing, and other services.  

I've known for about 7 years that America is a plutocracy and is no longer a system that has the common majorities interests in sight like it did before the year 2000.  It's a system that thrives off of selling debt instead of career opportunities as to make the rich richer out of greed.  The rich are getting richer off of low income debtors while cutting back pay and jobs and while sending all investment monies over seas, but that system of a down can't continue on forever. American job market has been severely declining for the past 8 years due to the wealthy investing overseas instead of investing at home as to generate start ups, jobs, and economic growth.  They duped us and sold us out to the Chinese is what they did.  Our leadership 100% failed us...

It's a good thing my student loan contract has a clause that after 25 years, the loan is forgivin or if if I become permanently disabled, because I seriously doubt if this time period in history is going to allow me to get ahead of the 8 ball when it comes to economic opportunity to become debt free and build wealth, not only through wise decisions, but through an economy that has something to more to offer us than all these low paying crap jobs.

Just retired from 22 years in the Army. At one point a few years ago I was a recruiter and had to listen to sooo many people talk that "I am going to go to college and then when I graduate make more money than you hahaha" type of thing. Always found it amusing in a twisted way I guess. I own all 3 of my vehicles, own my motorcycle, only bill (besides normal food electricity ect)  is 8 years left of house payments. Completed my Bachelors (paid for) and am now sleeping in till 9 and spending all my time raising my son and generally having a stress free good time. I am 39 years old.

This whole thing sounds like the typical argument, I went to college took a bad bunch of loans out that OMG I have to repay and all I can get for a job from my degree is this crappy 11$ an hour gig to start pfft no way...Did you think you were going to be a CEO for some world wide multi-million dollar firm the day after graduation? Should have read that contract before signing it that says you will pay in blood for the next 15 years before SIGNING IT. Got 0 sympathy.

I'm about to graduate from a 4 year public college in Texas & I am so glad that everyone is posting here today.  I am considering grad school and would like to find a way to do it without student loans.  Dave Ramsey cured me of student loans -- I actually walked back into my school's Financial Aid office at the beginning of this semester and told them I would be returning my loan monies.  They freaked!  One lady said, "Why don't you want your money?"  And I answered, "Dave Ramsey".  The other lady stifled her laughter.  It was pretty funny!  Seriously, I had lots of scholarship money and grants -- really didn't need the Federal loans...it was just fluff money. Read these posts, folks.  A college degree absolutely 100% does not guarantee future job success.  I'm only finishing this degree for a specific career later.

THANK YOU!

As a junior in college, it frustrates me to see so many people with gobs of student loan debt. Most of them get loans for much more than they need, in order to fund partying, car payments, and rent. They just don't realize that they WILL have to pay back the loans eventually and the repayment may hinder them from being able to buy a home, travel, or move on with their lives.

Thank goodness that when i was 18 i was smart enough to choose to go to a cheaper school that was close to my home. I figured why pay double the tuition for the same education?

Education is still vital. Good education is eevn more vital. the problem here is that we do not want to pay higher taxes, in Denmark taxpayers pay 53% while in Y=Th US we pay only 23% and *** and whine if taxes are increased. What is the difference, in Denmark, free health care system, freen education from 1st grade to graduate school. Denmark has a strong economy with a well educated work force. Knowledge coming from the best teachers in the US cost us big $$$$, in Denmark $0. it does not take a genius to see the corelation. we need to change the way our tax system works. enough of bnig fat pigs driving ferraris and having multiple states all over. the super rich is making us super poor. change the tax laws and you will have a more balanced society. there are 7 deadly sins and greed is one of them. Beware of what you desire

Pride, envy, lust, glutony, greed, sloth, wrath.

I am giong to go biblical on you. now

In Proverbs 6:16–19, it is stated that "(16) These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:" (quotes from King James Version (KJV) translation of the Bible). These are:

(17) A proud look,

a lying tongue,

and hands that shed innocent blood,

(18) A heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,

feet that be swift in running to mischief,

(19) A false witness that speaketh lies,

and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Retired,

I think you misunderstood my point, which might be typical, but it is a point and not an argument. Yes I went to college and took a bunch of loans which at the time were the best loans I was allowed to take. The problem at hand is that I cannot even consolidate my private loans because the ECONOMY is so terrible. I am not "OMG" in shock that I have to pay them back. That would suggest that I do not have the intelligence to have been accepted into a college, never mind be a graduate of one.  Also, with my degree, you're right, I didn't get a CEO position and I definitely didn't expect anything of the sort. I did however get a very reasonable salary with all kinds of these benefit things and bonuses, whatever those are. (Yes I'm being a wise @ss.)  Now, I don’t expect you to sympathize with me about any of this. All that I really want from this, is that maybe just one future student out there reads this and thinks really hard about what kind of loans they will have to take out in order to afford college and honestly maybe they will consider the military. It seems to be the best way for the average person to pay for school. A lot of my friends have benefited from it.

What potential students need to realize is that even though a specific field they are interested in has a listed salary by many different sources, they may not see that salary until completing many to several years of service in the field; unless they pay for and pass different certifications.  I learned that lesson the hard way, I started to get my degree in a field, using student loans but my school expenses were more than my financial aid package,  I went to school full-time and worked a part-time job.  As the semesters went by I was working more and taking fewer classes, until I decided to quit school and get a full time job.  While working full-time and not using financial aid I was able to get my A.A.,  I then went to get my BS, I had to use financial aid to afford tuition and books, I did recieve my degree, and now cannot find a job in the field I studied, which I can afford.  The average salary of a person in this field is $70,000, I currently make $18.00 an hour, The entry-level pay is $12.00/hr or you can contract at $15.00/ hr.  After several years of moving up you can earn $70,000 a year, or you can get certifications, which may allow you to start out at a higher pay level.  I now have an extra bill ( Student Loan Payment) which I can't afford and am stuck doing the same job which I hate.  If I only knew then what I know now.  

Students need to realize that when they pick a degree, they need to look at more than the potential dollar signs:  they need to consider if they like the profession that they want to get into, can they complete the coursework necessary to get the degree (it is pointless for a student to try pre-med if they can't pass simple science).

consider the future (Sometimes a simple major, with a couple more complex minors can set you up for an emerging job market not yet existing, i.e. technology always changes, and a major is not always available, until after you graduate).

remember times are changing and your degree may not be offered after you started it (A friend recieved a letter a year before she was supposed to graduate, telling her that the school was no longer going to offer the courses she needed inorder to graduate, and she needed to attend a different school to get her degree).

Keep track of course offerings and continued contact with your advisor, some courses required to graduate are only offered at certain times(you don't want to get stuck taking fluff courses, in order to maintain your student status; while waiting to take that one course needed to graduate).

Also don't take out more financial aid than required to cover room and board, tuition and books.

Watch the withdrawl and drop dates, If you don't think you are going to like or pass a course make sure you drop it in time to get a 100% refund and can sign up for another course.

Attend a two year school and get your associates degree, it might not be as cool, but it is affordable.

Do not apply for credit cards while in school, you might be short a few bucks and miss a party or two, but it is better than working full time to pay the bill, and trying to attend school full time.

Get a cafeteria meal plan, yeah the food sucks, but at least you can get three meals a day, and don't have to eat ramen noodles and pbj's all year.

Most Dorms close over the Holiday's so don't burn to many bridges, you might need a place to stay.

Remember if you have a problem with an instructor or policy, most schools have an Student Advocate, to try to solve problems. ( I took a summer course once and I along with several other students turned in our final paper's and the instructor said why are you here you already failed the course because of attendance, their was no attendance policy listed in the syllabus, and we cursed out the instructor.  We brought our case to the Student Adovocate, and would of passed the course, but due to our behavior in the classroom , we failed.)

Make sure the school is accredited, and you actually learn something from each course ( I attended an accelerated school once and after several courses, I realized that I was not actually learning anything, I left their with a 4.0 and the school was accredited, but the few classes I took would not transfer to any other school.  If it sounds to good to be true it probably is.)

Not enough people have the opportunity to go actually attend a quality school, I don't know if it is the pupil, the social class, or the system that prevents its.      

I went to state schools (University of California system) for my  bachelors and masters - private schools were not an option, we couldn't afford them. During my undergrad years I worked summer jobs, my parents had some savings, and I had student loans.  Five year plan was not an option, mom and dad laid down the law on that. Finish in four years, they said - if you don't the fifth year is on you; if fifth year is a graduate year we'll do what we can but don't count on much. I worked my way through 2 1/2 years of graduate school with jobs (sometimes 2 or 3 jobs at a time) and loans, then decided enough was enough.  I'm SO GLAD I stopped when I did, because had I gone on for the Ph.D., there's no tellling how much my debt would have been, I'd probably be jobless (no academic jobs out there for history majors), and I'd probably still be paying on the loans.  The other thing mom and dad laid down the law on was - you WILL pay back your loans even if it means living at home and flipping burgers at McDonalds to earn the money. Our parents repeated that  message early and often to both my brother and me: NO DEFAULTING on student loans.

I spent many years working at a private university where students pay upward of $25,000 a year just for tuition. I can't imagine what their lives will be like after graduation with that kind of debt. My total student loan debt for 6 1/2 years and 2 degrees was around $15,000 (I got my B.A. in 1984, my M.A.  in 1987, back when UC was still affordable). Seemed like a lot of money at the time, but it's nothing compared to what students are facing now. I had a good job in a field related to my degree (history) before I finished my masters degree, and I was able to pay off all my student loans. I've been very lucky.

My brother did junior year abroad, for which my parents took out additional loans. Then he went to law school - more loans. He had to move back home and find a day job while he worked to pass the bar, but always made his student loan payments. As soon as he passed the bar and got a good job, the first thing he did was pay off his loans.

College costs these days are scary. No degree is worth mortgaging your life for and EM is right - in most jobs where you went to school and what your GPA was simply don't matter. Dave Ramsey is spot-on when he says: If you have the savings or the free ride scholarship, go to that top name school. Otherwise re-consider and look for lower-cost options.

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