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Subprime loans, part 2: The college edition

Posted Oct 06 2008, 10:50 AM by Donna Freedman
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The front-page headline in Sunday's Seattle Times was an attention-grabber: "Young, educated and drowning in debt." The accompanying article told some scary, scary stories. One young couple in med school will finish with more than half a million dollars in loans between them. A man who graduated with $152,000 in debt finds that monthly payments eat up one-third of his salary -- and he has a good job.

Gargantuan loans taken out with no clear idea of how they'll be repaid. Sound familiar?

Actually, there's a crucial difference between subprime mortgages and student loans. You can't return your diploma to the school and walk away from college debt. In fact, such debt can't even be discharged in a bankruptcy. Student loans are with you until you pay them back.

Some of the people in the article made costly mistakes, such as choosing a pricey faraway university over cheaper local options. But such decisions aren't made in a vacuum. They're made because the students grew up in a society that encourages us to go after the top-drawer stuff -- homes, cars, gadgets, education -- whether or not we can actually afford it. Or whether we actually need it.

Buy now, pay for decades?
Once upon a time, college loans were worth the pain because a degree qualified you for higher-paying jobs. But that's not as true as it once was, according to an MSN Money article called "Is college worth the money?"

"Bottom line: College, particularly an expensive private college, is a high-risk investment which, for many, won't pay," personal-finance columnist Scott Burns writes.

Yet what I've heard, and also read on MSN Money message boards, is that high school students are routinely urged to apply to the "best" schools. Sure, you'll have to take out loans, they're told, but everybody does that.

More and more of those loans are from the private sector. Tuition has risen fivefold since the early 1980s, according to the Seattle Times article, and federal student loans can't keep pace. That's why private loans now account for 22% of all college financing, compared with only 5% in 1997.

These loans are often marketed directly to students, with no advice or oversight from the schools they select. Yes, I know that you're technically an adult when you graduate high school. But for heaven's sake, picture yourself at age 18. If you were lucky, your parents had tried to instill an idea of the true cost of any loan. But that doesn't mean you really understood it.

I'd be willing to bet that a majority of 18-year-olds are so naïve, so trusting of what their guidance counselors told them and, yes, so dazzled by the prospect of Harvard or Stanford or Vassar that they simply sign on the dotted line. After all, a diploma from one of the "best" schools always translates to a huge salary after graduation. They'll pay it back then.

Besides, some parents aren't warning their kids away from debt because they've bought into the hype, too. They may truly want what's best for their children and think that a "name" school is always preferable. Or they may just like the fact that Junior is going to Princeton. Worst-case scenario: They take out loans to help pay their kids' tuition, neglecting their own financial well-being.

Lives put on hold
I believe that American high-schoolers are being sold a bill of goods -- Top schools mean top dollars later on! -- that's damned difficult to pay for. That $152k debtor in the Seattle Times article makes $40,000 a year before taxes. His loans run him $1,000 a month.

And what about the ones who don't luck into decent jobs? They do temp work or pull coffee for $9 an hour while applying for jobs in the fields for which they studied. They either share a place with as many roommates as zoning allows, or land back with Mom and Dad.

How will this group of people manage to buy cars or homes? Or have families? Or fund retirement?

Just as with the subprime loan mess, it's tempting to dismiss drowning-in-debt students as a bunch of nitwits. They knew the cost going in. Why in the world would they sign up for loans they may not be able to afford?

Because that's the American way: Buy now, and don't worry about the "pay later" part. Just buy. If you want it, you should have it.

To all of you parents of teens: I am begging you to read MSN Money's "Family and college finances" articles. Discuss them with your kids. If they're still bent on "dream" schools, be very clear about what you can and cannot contribute. Help them decide whether four years of prestige is worth 10 or more years of grueling repayment.

And hey, all you high school seniors: Can't wait to get out of the house, huh? Imagine coming back to your childhood bedroom at age 22. That room might seem a little suffocating. Or possibly that's just how a hundred grand in debt feels to someone who hasn't yet earned a dime.

Comments

 

Truer words were never spoken! Too many of our Boomer parents just don't understand the glut they've created in the job market of college-educated workers; a degree no longer has the value it once did. Meanwhile, mechanics and construction workers make higher wages. Don't go for the student loans, ESPECIALLY not private loans, it's just not worth it!

This article sums up my life.  100% plain and simple.  We are raised to do what we're told.  Why stop listening when the parents are threatening to kick you out of the house if you don't go to college? (btw, they're "not contributing a dime").

"It's your education you have to pay for it.  But, you have no choice; you have to go."

Oh.  Seemed like a good idea at the time.  

And while I struggle, banks get bailed out, mortgage holders who can't pay their bills are let off the hook, and the wealthy are STILL wealthy; compared to my $11/hour income (yeah, that's the best I could do.  Apparently photography is not a necessity and therefore photographers are NOT in demand.  Glad I blew the money on THAT degree.)

Where's OUR bailout?

Very well written artical.  Very sad commentary on how the America has allowed themselves to be duped into making others rich with a spend now (because I want it) and don't worry about the consequences attitude.  Most of America has themselves to blame for the economic crisis we now face.  Buying homes they can't afford, with adjustable rate mortgages.   Banks allowing people to borrow money from 120% of thier homes equity.  

All of this directly relates to the article.  Americans need to wake up, establish a budget, live with in their means, and pay off bad debt.  If the debt is too much, roll up your sleeves baby and get a second job.  If you want good advice on how to save money and live with in your means, talk to your grandparents.  They lived through one of the largest financial crisis of our human history.

This article should be read by every high school student! I remember being 18 and applying for a student loan, and in my area it was something EVERYONE did. If we heard of anyone who wasn't taking out a student loan, it was like a foreign concept. I only did one year and then I left to join the workforce. 7 years later I have $700 left to go. However, in another 3 years I will have enough in my RRSP to borrow from myself interest free to go back and get that degree (not sure if there's a system like that in the US..). Now I don't have the highest paying job, I'd be making more if I had a degree, but by the time I am done in in 7 more years (3 working, 4 in school), my only debt will be to myself.

Over the years I have at times encouraged my children to be thrifty with their monies. I have also told them that there are very few things in life that they will pay for which can't be repossesed. An education is one of those things. They can't come and open your head and take out what is stored there. I realize that we have this perspective which says, "Did I get my monies worth?" If you got an education you did. If you thought it was an investment that would begin to pay like an annuity when your got out then you didn't. I know this doesn't help but much of the world would love to have your education.

This is very very true. As a current college student, I know first hand how they market student loans to us. If we wanted to my husband and I could have taken out $17000 this semester in loans, and they sure make it easy. Just sign and poof! they even deposit it right in your checking account. No messy paperwork!

However, students do need to take the final responsibility. We know we are going to have to pay it all back, and we need to be smart about taking loans.

Want to know something I wish someone told me when I was taking on Student Loans?  That they are not ALWAYS tax deductible!

I highlighted the relevant facts here - www.myjourneytomillions.com/.../education-loan-interest-not-always-tax-deductible

Donna, fee free to use it if you'd like.  

It's somewhat gratifying to see that others are finally starting to recognize the problems with student loans that I've been living with for the past 10 years.  I was one of those high school students encouraged to "reach for the stars" even if I had to take out huge loans to get there.  I was not taught the first thing about finances by my parents, and when the loan folks at the school told me to sign on the dotted line so I could continue receiving their elite education, I did as instructed and never thought twice about how the absurd amount of debt I was taking on would affect the rest of my life - and of couse, they didn't volunteer any information! My grand education has translated into 2 years of waitressing and 7+ years of clerical work so far ... along with $75,000 in student loan debt.  I did end up back in that childhood bedroom at 22 years old, and at 30 now, I still need to share an apartment with a roommate, as my loan payments leave me unable to pay average rents in my area on my own.

High school students need to be educated about finances and what it means to take on student debt.  I was always told that student loan debt was "good debt" and that the lenders were "nice people" who work work with you on payments you could afford. (yes, sadly, I was young and ignorant enough to believe it!)  Maybe for some people that's how things turn out, but any debt that forces you to shape your job prospects around earning enough to make your loan payments without any thought for whether it's work you have a future in is not good in my opinion.  I still have financial dreams that I hope to someday follow when I get out from under these payments - like someday being able to live by myself!  Until then, I hope that students in the future can learn from mistakes like mine and be smart with where they get their college education and how much they are willing to borrow for it.

Thanks for giving voice to my thoughts again, Donna. A very expensive private school was courting my son with dreams of glory and a very generous financial aid package. When I called the financial aid office I was told the school would contribute $2,000 toward the more than $40,000 annual tuition/room and board fees. Basically, from my personal experience, a private college representative WILL SAY ANYTHING to get your child to apply to their school. They flat out lied to us! My husband and I are thrilled that our son had the good sense to apply to our state colleges and universities.

After some very serious discussions with my son he did not apply to the private college. He was accepted to a prestigious University in California at Berkeley. UC Berkeley is on par with Stanford University (their arch rivals, BTW!). Though his room and board are pricey he's excelling, loves his situation, and will go on to get his Masters degree at the minimum: possibly his doctorate.

Our agreement: yes, we'll pay for your 4 year private education. We'll pay half, you'll have to work, and accept a heavy plate of loans. And: working while going to college is a sure way to hate life and see your grades slip. (I knew this from my dismal college/work life).  Or: go to a state school and we'll support you through up to 8 years of college. He made the smart choice. His college debt will top out at $30,000.

Moral of the story: go to the best school you can afford/ with or without loans.

UC Berkeley ended up being my son's first choice. He hasn't regretted his choice.

Great article Donna.   When I went to school, my parents couldn't afford to help me.  Which is why I chose a school that was in state and relatively inexpensive.  Yes I had to take out loans, but I also had a job to help offset the amount of money I would have needed to go to school.   When I applied to graduate school same thing, I chose the school that offered me the most money and was the least costly should I have to pay for it by myself.  Would it be nice to have the piece of paper with the big name school on it? Sure, but to only have 32,000 in debt for six years of school  beats the heck out of 4 times that.   I also knew that I would have no choice but to pay it back, while they can't take your paper degree away, they can freeze any professional licenses and make it incredibly difficult for you to pursue your professional career when you don't pay up.  Oh, and I didn't dilly-dally my education.  I got in and got out.  That's part of the problem, when people think finishing a degree in 5 years is the norm instead of the 4 years.  That is even with a double major and changing my degree twice.  I really don't have sympathy for those who lacked common sense and buried themselves in school debt.

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