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Why I argued (politely) to save three bucks

Posted Aug 04 2008, 03:06 AM by Donna Freedman
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On Friday I visited Office Depot for school backpacks at the killer price of $2.99. Along with other loss-leader school supplies, they'll be donated to a local social services agency. At the checkout, I handed over a "20% off all backpacks" coupon from an Office Depot mailer. The cash register wouldn't accept the coupon. "These are already on sale so the coupon won't work," the salesclerk said.

I noted, politely, that the coupon did not say "not good on sale-priced items." The cashier tried again. No dice. "It's not letting it go through," she said, and waited. I got the distinct impression she wanted me to say, "Oh, that's OK." But I wasn't going to say that, because my belief is that a store should honor its published offers.

She called a manager, who told me the coupon wasn't intended for sale items. I again pointed out that nowhere on the coupon did it say that. This started off a 10-minute dance between manager and consumer over what would have been a $3 discount.

Before you write me off as an intractable miser, consider this: What happens when consumers do not insist that businesses keep their word?

All kinds of reasons
During our little discount minuet, the manager demanded to see the mailer from which I'd taken the ad, saying it would explain that the coupon was not good on sale items. I went out to my car and got the ad; it said no such thing.

The manager, whom I'll call Nancy, tried several other tacks. She pored over the fine print in the store's weekly ad -- complaining it was hard to read because the doctor had dilated her eyes that morning -- but nothing in the ad excluded coupons. She said that "corporate" never intended for coupons to be used with sale items, and that's why the computer wouldn't allow it -- the computer is programmed by "corporate."

If that's the case, I suggested, then "not valid with sale items" ought to be written on the coupon.

She looked at it again, noting the phrase "we reserve the right to limit quantities." I'd bought five, the limit noted in the weekly flier. Nancy said, "I'll give you the coupon on one of them." I replied that nowhere on the coupon does it say that it was good for just one item.

"It says 'one-time use', so I'll let you have it for just the one." I suggested that "one-time use" might actually mean that I couldn't use the coupon again the next day.

Nancy said that when I signed up for the store rewards program, I would have gotten an e-mail explaining, among other things, why coupons couldn't be used on sale items. I repeated, "Shouldn't that be written on the coupon itself?"

A real headache
The manager said she'd send my "information" to corporate headquarters and have them explain why coupons can't be used on sale items. First she asked for my driver's license, which I would not have given, and then decided that just my rewards card would do. She wrote down the card number and told me that at $2.99, the store was losing money on the backpacks. Using a coupon made it worse.

I replied that I was familiar with the concept of a loss leader. You lose money on some items to get people into the store.

Finally the manager told the cashier to override the register and ring up the discount for all five backpacks. "I don't want to spend any more time on this. I have a headache," she said.

You and me both, Nancy. Confrontation is not easy for me. I simply wanted Office Depot to make good on its published promise.

Why you should care
Some of you are probably thinking, It's only $3 -- give it up, already. I don't think that the amount matters. The company mailed me a flier full of discounts in the hope I would come to one of its stores. When I tried to use one of those discounts, employees decided that it shouldn't apply to sales.

Suppose you saw a coupon good for 20% off all winter coats, but when you get to the store you're told, "Oh, it's not good on red coats." Or imagine seeing a car ad, "20% off all Chevrolets," but when you get to the dealership you're told that it's only good on four-door sedans.

There's a term for this. It's called bait and switch. Get the customer into the store and then change the terms.

What happened at Office Depot was not a bait and switch per se, but it still wasn't good customer relations. Yes, I understand that the company is taking a hit pricing its backpacks at $2.99 and that an additional 60-cent discount hurts even more. But that's a cost of doing business: Advertise something really cheaply and hope people buy enough other things to make the loss leader worthwhile.

Certainly any company is within its rights to limit coupon use on loss leaders. But if that's what corporate wants, then corporate needs to be very clear, and it needs to do so on the coupon. I don't want to rely on the personal interpretation of a cash register. Or a manager with a headache.

Comments

 

Donna, you did the right thing. It does me good to hear people stand up for what is right. I know that most people have a job and don't have time to deal with the non-sense some of these stores dish out.

This is what I like to do, and do, when it comes to this kind of stonewalling from retailers. Firstly, if they're intent about their position, I will tell them that they can do either of two things. Do what is right or you can go to small claims court and tell the judge how you are cheating the customer. At that time you ask the manager who  gets the subpoena. I find in most cases they will change their attitude. If not, when they do in fact receive the subpoena, they will change their mind at that time.

Again, I know that most working people don't have the time to do what I do. However, in most major cities this process can be done on-line. It cost a few dollars to file, but the defendent gets to pay the cost. As long a the plaintif is right (having all the facts), I have yet to see a judge that's simpathetic to the defendent. In this case, the company trying to rip off a consumer.

Go home and cook!!!!

I've been a retail manger for 15 years.  I have had customers haggle for way less than $3. It is just a fact of retail.  You wanting your $3 doesn't bother me.  What does is the manager.  This manager seems like she is either a poor manager or isn't happy at her job, maybe both?  She goes through a lot to try and persuade you to give up your case, when in fact she should have listened to your story and then read the coupon, noticed it didn't say any restrictions, apologized and override the register. Nancy bringing up the right to limit quantities and saying she had a headache, how rude. This lady needs a new job. She would have saved everyone time and frustration by being nice and doing the right thing.

Bless your heart.  Chrysler promised me health and life insurance if I would retire early.  Their promise was no good!!!! So keep up the good work.

Yesterday I went to Zellers and bought three  items , a fourth showed up on the receipt. I went to customer service to get my refund and was told that the items were on sale and the computer would not give me the whole amount, it was only  1.29 but they were only giving me 89 cents, I told him that I was not paying for something I didn't even buy, after telling him  that he   couldn't be bothered any more when I said I wanted to  see  the manager, he just handed me the difference.

I had a similar issue with a Hy-Vee grocery store coupon today.  I lost the over all battle after the embarrassment of being treated like the difficult lady making a scene had gotten to me.  What happened was there was a 10% off your entire grocery order coupon printed in our local multi-listing coupon mailing.  These coupons are also available to print online.  So I printed my coupon at work and set out to do my shopping.  This would have been a $17.00-ish coupon for me...I f they had accepted the computer generated coupon.  We argued about them needing the full color mailing even though the mailing stated that the coupon is available to print from a specific website.  I may have been a loyal customer since their grand opening several years ago.  Now, I am just too stubborn to care about how close they are to my home.

dont try to use one of those coupons on tech-depot items it is a big mess. Yes there is fine print on those. It maybe implied on the over all mailing that sale items are exepmt. I try to read all that crap before getting to the register.

Well, it sounds as if legally and technically you were in the right. Is that all that matters to anyone anymore? What ever happened to just being reasonable? A reasonable person understands that a store cannot afford to sell backpacks for $3 and then put another discount on top of that. If they did, they would have to pay the store clerks and managers even less, in which case all of us disgruntled customers would have even more to complain about. The ad department made a mistake. Maybe they should pay for their mistake - after all we're a society based on blaming and making others pay, right? Or maybe the customers can just be ladies and gentleman, be understanding, and appreciate that $2.99 is a great deal in itself. Donating your practically-free backpacks to a social service agency is nice, but your blog obviously has a bigger impact. How about kicking off a chain of kindness? Those retail workers  work hard for little. You can builld them up or bring them down. Go watch one of those movies about random acts of kindness or "paying it forward." Think about what kind of chain reaction you want to start. Your choice matters -  I guarantee you, one of the recipients of your almost-free backpack will one day be working in customer service.

Office Depot is the Worst Place nowadays, the send truck load of copuons but you will not be able to use a single one of them. STAPLES is a better place, I now shop only there...

In response to comment above - A "reasonable" person expects a store to honor its advertised prices/promotions without hassling the customer!   I have no idea what the cost structure for a given item is or whether the store is losing money on the item.  They chose to advertise the backpacks at the sale price; they knew they had coupons outstanding; they chose not to exclude the sale items from eligibility.  If they make bad business decisions, they should suffer the consequences.  Good customer relations is a cost of doing business.  Besides, many stores offer "loss leaders" to get you into the store hoping that you will buy other merchandise.  The real problem here was the store manager who failed miserably in handling the situation, particularly since the customer was absolutely right!

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