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Why I argued (politely) to save three bucks

Posted Aug 04 2008, 03:06 AM by Donna Freedman
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On Friday I visited Office Depot for school backpacks at the killer price of $2.99. Along with other loss-leader school supplies, they'll be donated to a local social services agency. At the checkout, I handed over a "20% off all backpacks" coupon from an Office Depot mailer. The cash register wouldn't accept the coupon. "These are already on sale so the coupon won't work," the salesclerk said.

I noted, politely, that the coupon did not say "not good on sale-priced items." The cashier tried again. No dice. "It's not letting it go through," she said, and waited. I got the distinct impression she wanted me to say, "Oh, that's OK." But I wasn't going to say that, because my belief is that a store should honor its published offers.

She called a manager, who told me the coupon wasn't intended for sale items. I again pointed out that nowhere on the coupon did it say that. This started off a 10-minute dance between manager and consumer over what would have been a $3 discount.

Before you write me off as an intractable miser, consider this: What happens when consumers do not insist that businesses keep their word?

All kinds of reasons
During our little discount minuet, the manager demanded to see the mailer from which I'd taken the ad, saying it would explain that the coupon was not good on sale items. I went out to my car and got the ad; it said no such thing.

The manager, whom I'll call Nancy, tried several other tacks. She pored over the fine print in the store's weekly ad -- complaining it was hard to read because the doctor had dilated her eyes that morning -- but nothing in the ad excluded coupons. She said that "corporate" never intended for coupons to be used with sale items, and that's why the computer wouldn't allow it -- the computer is programmed by "corporate."

If that's the case, I suggested, then "not valid with sale items" ought to be written on the coupon.

She looked at it again, noting the phrase "we reserve the right to limit quantities." I'd bought five, the limit noted in the weekly flier. Nancy said, "I'll give you the coupon on one of them." I replied that nowhere on the coupon does it say that it was good for just one item.

"It says 'one-time use', so I'll let you have it for just the one." I suggested that "one-time use" might actually mean that I couldn't use the coupon again the next day.

Nancy said that when I signed up for the store rewards program, I would have gotten an e-mail explaining, among other things, why coupons couldn't be used on sale items. I repeated, "Shouldn't that be written on the coupon itself?"

A real headache
The manager said she'd send my "information" to corporate headquarters and have them explain why coupons can't be used on sale items. First she asked for my driver's license, which I would not have given, and then decided that just my rewards card would do. She wrote down the card number and told me that at $2.99, the store was losing money on the backpacks. Using a coupon made it worse.

I replied that I was familiar with the concept of a loss leader. You lose money on some items to get people into the store.

Finally the manager told the cashier to override the register and ring up the discount for all five backpacks. "I don't want to spend any more time on this. I have a headache," she said.

You and me both, Nancy. Confrontation is not easy for me. I simply wanted Office Depot to make good on its published promise.

Why you should care
Some of you are probably thinking, It's only $3 -- give it up, already. I don't think that the amount matters. The company mailed me a flier full of discounts in the hope I would come to one of its stores. When I tried to use one of those discounts, employees decided that it shouldn't apply to sales.

Suppose you saw a coupon good for 20% off all winter coats, but when you get to the store you're told, "Oh, it's not good on red coats." Or imagine seeing a car ad, "20% off all Chevrolets," but when you get to the dealership you're told that it's only good on four-door sedans.

There's a term for this. It's called bait and switch. Get the customer into the store and then change the terms.

What happened at Office Depot was not a bait and switch per se, but it still wasn't good customer relations. Yes, I understand that the company is taking a hit pricing its backpacks at $2.99 and that an additional 60-cent discount hurts even more. But that's a cost of doing business: Advertise something really cheaply and hope people buy enough other things to make the loss leader worthwhile.

Certainly any company is within its rights to limit coupon use on loss leaders. But if that's what corporate wants, then corporate needs to be very clear, and it needs to do so on the coupon. I don't want to rely on the personal interpretation of a cash register. Or a manager with a headache.

Comments

 

um you basically just wanted something for free

I love how the manager reminded you that they are losing money over the 2.99 backpacks in the first place.  I would have been like "And? . . ." Then don't have backpacks for 2.99, and don't send out a coupon for that time! I feel bad for her ultimately though, not because of the arguing customer (because I would also do the same thing) but because of the position her company puts her in. This manager, who gets like $10 an hour and has to work weekends and holidays, has to be the one to deal with this headache, while "corporate" gets all the money for doing nothing but trying to dupe customers. I am very tired of big corporations.

I've been there before.  If I don't get the answer according to the ad or coupon, then I just say cancel the sale.

My favorate is stores that do not take their sale prices down in time or forget about them. They will try to argue that that is an old sale and someone did not take down the sign. I argue right back that it is not my fault someone did not do their job and they need to honor the display. I have fought over pennies but pennies add up in this economy.

Everyone should stand up for their rights as a customer. Never let the store win. I now boycott CVS because of some of their practices and what they ended up doing to my hometown. While I may only be one customer that is $10 a month they are not getting from me.

On an individual basis it may not be worth the argument, but I do think it is worth the stand on principal.  In a recent online purchase from Dell I discovered an additional 1 cent charge seperate from the main charge when I got the credit card bill.  The one cent difference turned out to be a "free" online service which I had not noticed that I left selected (my error).  When I called customer service I was told the reason for the one cent charge was that their system required an amount greater than zero.  I pointed out that their computer problem wasn't my problem and that they should have listed it as "one cent" rather than free if this was the case.  I didn't get any argument with my logic though several iterations of the Dell represenative saying "isn't it worth one cent though?" later they agreed to remove the item and issue me my one cent credit.  Turns out they couldn't issue a credit that small so they credited me a dollar instead.

Was this worth my time?  Probably not.  It certainly wasn't worth Dell's time to field this particular service call however.  For me it was a matter of principal once I found out the reason.  At one cent I might not have called, but the way it appeared as a seperate item it smelled like an introductory charge for a monthly subscription.  I can't say my instincts were right as I had them remove the item regardless.

At the end of the day, it is stuff like this which turns the customer away.  Rather than argue over the $3, which holds up the check-out line and angers the customer, managers who know their job know that it is far better to just give the customer the discount even if the store is right.

Now I have to call my bank because I am getting an extra 5 cent charge from an online service.  They claim it is my bank issuing the charge though I am 99% certain it is not a charge by my bank.

I've worked in retail for a few years and have seen this happen alot. And while you maybe in the right, you should also make sure your not wasting other peoples time

for the sake of such A small sum.

I'm sure the people behind her in line groaned as soon as she made her stand, and

while the people behind you get to go to other lines right away. Your choice is either

to chance waiting it out, or go to a back of another line. Either one is going to waste

your time just so she can save her $3 on an already cheap item (items I guess).

And of course the manager is going to try and save the store  three dollars on a product they are already losing money on. It doesnt make her a bad person. She is getting paid to "manage" the store so it makes profits, otherwise she gets fired.

As far as how long she argued, she maybe took that a little far. But she was under the impression that some where on the cupon or on the booklet it said something about excluding sale prices ( which they usually do) and that corporate didnt want it used with sale pricess for good reasons.

As a former manager of a retail pharmacy chain store, I have been approached multiple times regarding a discrepancy with a coupon or an ad.  I totally agree with the writer's viewpoint of the situation and I also fell that the comments made by the manager were totally unacceptable and unprofessional.  Corporations have many people who are trained and skilled in how to word coupons and special offers.  If the intent was to not apply coupons to sale items, then the coupon should make that statement.  I would always do my best in this type of situation to err on the side of the consumer, because without them, I don't have a job.

As for the manager that wanted to stop dealing with it because she has a "headache", headaches from time to time come with the job.  It this is too much for you, get another job.

Great job! I also have had simlar issues.  And sometimes you wonder if these folks running the places have an common sense at all.

For years I've been going through problems with coupons and "sales" etc. And I've been standing my ground for over 30 years.  Use to embarrass me and my daughters when they young, but now they do the same thing now that they have familes are are trying to stretch the all mighty dollar.   I've stopped shopping at Office Depot, Wal Mart, and "discount" grocery strores for these same tactics.  We consumers must take a stand in these days of overpricing and store tricks. and don't you just love stores that have a shelf price but try to charge you more at the check-out by arguing the price "just" went up?  I walk out.

"Bait and switch" - some businesses do that; it's crap.

Well done! Though I probably would have just coughed up the extra $3, I admire the way you fought for the consumer.

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