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Why a Roth 401(k) may be bad for your wealth

Posted Jul 09 2008, 07:33 AM by Karen Datko
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This post comes from partner blog The Dough Roller.

Let's get right to the point: Saving for retirement in a Roth 401(k) likely will leave you with less money in retirement than if you had invested in a traditional 401(k).

There are some exceptions to this rule. For example, a Roth 401(k) may be the right choice if you make more than $1 million a year or if you make so little that you pay no income tax or very little income tax. But for the majority of us, the Roth 401(k) is better left alone. Here's why.

Roth 401(k) basics

A Roth 401(k) is a retirement plan set up by employers that allows employees to contribute to their retirement. Unlike a traditional 401(k), which is tax-deferred, money invested in a 401(k) Roth account is included in an employee's taxable income. For example, if an employee is in the 25% federal tax bracket and pays 5% in state income tax, he or she would have to make $14,285 in gross income to invest $10,000 in a Roth 401(k).

Here's the math: $14,285 x 30% = $4,285 in taxes. $14,285 - $4,285 = $10,000.

The benefit of a Roth 401(k) is that your investments grow tax-free. If, by retirement, that $10,000 has grown to $50,000, you pay no tax on the $40,000 gain. With a traditional 401(k), the initial investment is excluded from your taxable income, but you do pay taxes as you make withdraws from the account.

Why contributing to a Roth 401(k) may be a mistake

Determining whether a Roth 401(k) or traditional 401(k) is best requires a bit of guesswork. Traditional analysis asks whether your tax rate when you contribute to the Roth 401(k) will be different from the rate you have when you make withdrawals from the retirement account. If your tax rate will be the same, the argument goes, it makes no difference whether you invest in a traditional or Roth 401(k). A tax rate that is higher when you make contributions than when you take withdrawals favors a traditional 401(k), while a tax rate that is lower favors a Roth.

The problem with this analysis is that it glosses over the difference between the marginal tax rate and the effective tax rate. The federal tax rate is progressive, meaning that the tax rate increases as your income increases. For example, here are the 2008 federal tax brackets as released by the IRS:

2008 Tax Brackets

Tax Rate   Single                       Married Filing Jointly

10%            Not over $8,025        Not over $16,050

15%            $8,025 - $32,550        $16,050 - $65,100

25%            $32,550 - $78,850      $65,100 - $131,450

28%            $78,850 - $164,550    $131,450 - $200,300

33%            $164,550 - $357,700  $200,300 - $357,700

35%            Over $357,700           Over $357,700

As you can see, the tax rate increases as an individual or couple's income increases.

The marginal tax rate is the highest rate that people pay based on their income level. For those with taxable income of more than $357,700, the marginal rate is 35%. In contrast, the effective rate is the average income tax rate paid. Somebody with taxable income of $357,701, for example, pays 35% income tax only on the last $1. An individual would pay 33% for taxable income over $164,550, 28% for the portion of taxable income over $78,859, and so on. In the end, the effective tax rate would be the total tax paid divided by gross income, which would come out to a lot less than the marginal rate of 35%.

The key point for our purposes is that contributions to a traditional 401(k) reduce your tax liability at the marginal rate, not the effective rate. In contrast, withdrawals from a traditional 401(k) will be taxed, along with other retirement income, at your effective rate. So unless you expect your current marginal tax rate to equal or exceed your effective tax rate at retirement, the Roth 401(k) is not the best choice.

If you'd like to read a detailed analysis of the Roth 401(k), check out "Thinking about a Roth 401(k)? Think again."

Wise choice?

Is a Roth 401(k) the right choice for anybody? Sure.

For those making in excess of $1 million, their effective tax rate and marginal tax rate begin to converge. Furthermore, they are likely to amass sufficient wealth such that their retirement income could exceed their current income, which could favor a Roth 401(k). Also, if you live in a state that doesn't have an income tax, but expect to move to a state that does during retirement, the Roth 401(k) may be the better choice. And a teenager who doesn't earn enough to pay taxes, but wants to save for retirement, would be better off choosing a Roth account.

Choosing the right investment vehicle is not a one-size-fits-all proposition. And it should be noted that you can invest in both a Roth and traditional 401(k). But for most, sound retirement planning suggests that we pass on the Roth 401(k).

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Comments

 

One unfortunate assumption your are making:  future tax rates will be the same as today's rate.  History shows that tax rates will increase over time so the decision is this -do I pay 25% today or 45% when I retire - when I have less chance to be able to increase my income significantly.

This is the best and most understandable explanation of why the average person should NOT use a ROTH 401K plan.  And, this is despite all the exhortations of late that we should use the Roth.  

Why would want to give even more taxes to the government now, when you can defer them?  I know I'll be making less when I retire, so my effective rate will be lower even if the marginal rates are raised.

Well done!

In July of 2007 we cashed out our 401K, when the market was high. As you might know ( unless you live in a cave somewhere ) the market is at it's all time low. My wife and I our both 51 years young and in the 25% tax bracket so we paid our share of tax. what money we had left we paid off our home at 7.4 % that saves close to $3300.00 per year in int. With the rest of the money we had left we bought farm land at $2200.00 per ac. In turn the goverment pays us not to farm ( CRP ) With the price of corn and beans at a all time high the farm land just to the north of us sold for $7200.00 per ac. do the math thats $5000.00 in invastment income @ 40 ac. thats $200.000 in one year. So my investment mgr. told me not to cash out, well I think all he was thinking of is he's % he was going to lose like most mgr. do . No matter what you are in 401K or the Roth, unless Uncle Sam has major by- pass surgery soon I don't see much hope for the small invester like me. On the other hand, the big guys can't survive wthout us, if you look closely at Wall Sreet a lot of investers our thinking of a window seat. God only made so much dirt, but the gov. can print all the money they want.   God bless and happy landing

This article completely ignores the fact that with a Roth IRA you can withdraw your entire account in retirement with no tax consequence. So saying although you contributed marginally step by step, you can withdraw the entire thing in 1 tax year at presumably the absolute highest tax rate. In theory the only people who would have the same tax rate in this scenario would be the people who contributed at the absolute highest rate and then withdrew at this rate. For everyone else it is cheaper than the traditional 401k assuming the same tax structure.

For those favor Roths while citing potential higher tax rates in the future, consider the possiblity that tax advantages currently accorded to Roth IRAs could be rescinded before withdrawals are made and no tax benefit would be received at all.

There is no "right" answer to the Roth/Traditional IRA question.  The "better" choice will vary by individual circumstances, which is what the article is trying to say.

I have always felt it was best to delay paying taxes if legally possible.  What happens to the Roth IRA when retirement comes and we have a VAT tax system rathere than an income tax system.  I would not consider this outcome unlikely anymore.

You use the incorrect assumptions that the taxes will be paid with money drawn out of the fund.  $14,285 in a Roth 401(k) equals $14,285 in a conventional 401(k), unless you draw money out of the Roth 401(k) to pay the taxes.  That assumption is ridiculous.

The fool that wrote this should be banned from writing future articles...wake up

I am a financial planner and completely disagree with this article.  It doesn't even make sense and misses almost all of the advantages of a Roth IRA or 401(k).  Unfortunately, this article points out perfectly that not everyone is qualified to be giving financial advice, even though they have a wide audience.  To keep it simple, if I have 20 years to invest, would I rather save taxes on the money I'm putting in today, or save taxes on whatever amount that grows to in 20 years?  Regardless of tax brackets, complicated math, etc... I think the point is obvious.  When it makes sense, pay taxes on the seed, not the crop.  And of course there are some instances when the traditional 401(k) makes more sense, but not many.  And always get the employer match!

Did not know of a 401-roth, is there differance between that and a roth ira. would like to know.  tks.

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