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Why a Roth 401(k) may be bad for your wealth

Posted Jul 09 2008, 07:33 AM by Karen Datko
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This post comes from partner blog The Dough Roller.

Let's get right to the point: Saving for retirement in a Roth 401(k) likely will leave you with less money in retirement than if you had invested in a traditional 401(k).

There are some exceptions to this rule. For example, a Roth 401(k) may be the right choice if you make more than $1 million a year or if you make so little that you pay no income tax or very little income tax. But for the majority of us, the Roth 401(k) is better left alone. Here's why.

Roth 401(k) basics

A Roth 401(k) is a retirement plan set up by employers that allows employees to contribute to their retirement. Unlike a traditional 401(k), which is tax-deferred, money invested in a 401(k) Roth account is included in an employee's taxable income. For example, if an employee is in the 25% federal tax bracket and pays 5% in state income tax, he or she would have to make $14,285 in gross income to invest $10,000 in a Roth 401(k).

Here's the math: $14,285 x 30% = $4,285 in taxes. $14,285 - $4,285 = $10,000.

The benefit of a Roth 401(k) is that your investments grow tax-free. If, by retirement, that $10,000 has grown to $50,000, you pay no tax on the $40,000 gain. With a traditional 401(k), the initial investment is excluded from your taxable income, but you do pay taxes as you make withdraws from the account.

Why contributing to a Roth 401(k) may be a mistake

Determining whether a Roth 401(k) or traditional 401(k) is best requires a bit of guesswork. Traditional analysis asks whether your tax rate when you contribute to the Roth 401(k) will be different from the rate you have when you make withdrawals from the retirement account. If your tax rate will be the same, the argument goes, it makes no difference whether you invest in a traditional or Roth 401(k). A tax rate that is higher when you make contributions than when you take withdrawals favors a traditional 401(k), while a tax rate that is lower favors a Roth.

The problem with this analysis is that it glosses over the difference between the marginal tax rate and the effective tax rate. The federal tax rate is progressive, meaning that the tax rate increases as your income increases. For example, here are the 2008 federal tax brackets as released by the IRS:

2008 Tax Brackets

Tax Rate   Single                       Married Filing Jointly

10%            Not over $8,025        Not over $16,050

15%            $8,025 - $32,550        $16,050 - $65,100

25%            $32,550 - $78,850      $65,100 - $131,450

28%            $78,850 - $164,550    $131,450 - $200,300

33%            $164,550 - $357,700  $200,300 - $357,700

35%            Over $357,700           Over $357,700

As you can see, the tax rate increases as an individual or couple's income increases.

The marginal tax rate is the highest rate that people pay based on their income level. For those with taxable income of more than $357,700, the marginal rate is 35%. In contrast, the effective rate is the average income tax rate paid. Somebody with taxable income of $357,701, for example, pays 35% income tax only on the last $1. An individual would pay 33% for taxable income over $164,550, 28% for the portion of taxable income over $78,859, and so on. In the end, the effective tax rate would be the total tax paid divided by gross income, which would come out to a lot less than the marginal rate of 35%.

The key point for our purposes is that contributions to a traditional 401(k) reduce your tax liability at the marginal rate, not the effective rate. In contrast, withdrawals from a traditional 401(k) will be taxed, along with other retirement income, at your effective rate. So unless you expect your current marginal tax rate to equal or exceed your effective tax rate at retirement, the Roth 401(k) is not the best choice.

If you'd like to read a detailed analysis of the Roth 401(k), check out "Thinking about a Roth 401(k)? Think again."

Wise choice?

Is a Roth 401(k) the right choice for anybody? Sure.

For those making in excess of $1 million, their effective tax rate and marginal tax rate begin to converge. Furthermore, they are likely to amass sufficient wealth such that their retirement income could exceed their current income, which could favor a Roth 401(k). Also, if you live in a state that doesn't have an income tax, but expect to move to a state that does during retirement, the Roth 401(k) may be the better choice. And a teenager who doesn't earn enough to pay taxes, but wants to save for retirement, would be better off choosing a Roth account.

Choosing the right investment vehicle is not a one-size-fits-all proposition. And it should be noted that you can invest in both a Roth and traditional 401(k). But for most, sound retirement planning suggests that we pass on the Roth 401(k).

Other articles of interest from The Dough Roller:

 

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Comments

 

Okay...a point is made that it doesn't matter whether you use a 401(k) or Roth 401(k) if you tax bracket is the same now as it is when you retire. What? Are you kidding me? Hmmm...that $10,000 mentioned as an investment is all you pay taxes on now for a Roth 401(k). Would you rather pay taxes on $10,000 or the $50,000 that it grows to at the same rate? I would much rather pay taxes on the $10,000 now and not pay any taxes on the $40,000 of growth. Isn't that obvious, though? Three cheers for the Roth 401(k).

The main point is that the Roth 401K primarily improves things for those high income or high net worth. The reality is that, for most people, they are likely going to need to start using their retirement funds long before 70 and will likely consume all of their funds by the time they leave this Earth (especially with the rising cost of healthcare). The income of most retirees come nowhere close to the levels that threaten high taxation of Social Security benefits. As for the argument that tax rates will rise due to the retirement of the Boomers: those rates will rise gradually so you will also get a bigger tax break over your lifetime. Most people are barely aware of the amount of money that is required to fund a retirment without the benefit of a pension or Social Security. None of posted points make the original article impertinent.

If the tax rate is the same it doesn't matterbetween a Roth and Traditional??? What about the EARNINGS, which will be a large portion after 20-30 years of saving. In the Roth, earnings aren't taxed. With the traditional, they are! Who wrote this article???

Some of the comments refer to a Roth IRA which is not what the article was about.  The article was about a Roth 401(k).

Furthermore, one can convert their traditional 401(k) to a Roth IRA when they are retired and in a lower tax bracket.

So the article is spot on and outstanding advice.  Too bad some commentors focussed on the Roth IRA which is an excellent way to invest for retirement while the Roth 401(k) is a dubious way for many folks.

Apparently no one here realizes there is something called inflation. The tax brackets are adjusted for inflation. The value of your money that you have saved will not be worth as much as you think. I think that many people posting think they are going to be stinking rich. Here's a statistic for you: in order to be in the top 5% when you're 65, you have to have a net worth (NOT including your primary residence) of over $4M. How many people you know have that? And if you're projecting into the future: in 15 years, you will need DOUBLE that amount to be equal. Good luck but let's be realistic here about how much money you will actually have and how much income you will pull from your investments and where you'll stand in the ladder of life. In order to get into the higher brackets, you will need some serious dough.

David M is correct in that you MUST consider the time value of money in any analysis.  This is never done in any back of the envelope analysis I ever see.   In fact, most people seem to always overlook the real impacts of time on the *value* of a dollar when ever they are making financial decisions.   For example, the equivalent of $100 in 1978 dollars is only worth about $27 in 2008 dollars.  That is quite a bit of erosion over 30 years.  I think it is a pretty good bet that if you consider the effect of the time value of money , those with a long enough time horizon before retirement will most assuredly be better off with the traditional 401(k).   It makes much more sense to delay paying taxes as long as possible.  

I'm not convinced that some future Congress, in dire need of money, will start taxing Roths in some way. What they gave, they can take away.

Inflation anyone. I would guess future untaxed dollars would be worth more than taxed dollars. Just a thought.

This article didn't really make much of a point at all.  Your best bet is to diversify the tax status of your retirement accounts, because no one knows what the future holds.

As a financial professional I am completely horrified that you posted this worthless article. The simplistic overview of marginal vs. effective tax rates in no way supports the author's claim that virtually everyone earning less than $1mil should use traditional 401k's. RIDICULOUS! The Roth is a boon to average investors with a long term investment horizons because the odds are stacked in their favor to BEAT the IRS. The previous posts give great reasons why.  Anyone serious about preparing for retirement should explore whether it makes sense to incorparte a Roth into their plan. How SAD that you chose to disseminate bad information just because of a catchy headline.  I'm glad your readership is sophisticated enough to know better.

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