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Why a Roth 401(k) may be bad for your wealth

Posted Jul 09 2008, 07:33 AM by Karen Datko
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This post comes from partner blog The Dough Roller.

Let's get right to the point: Saving for retirement in a Roth 401(k) likely will leave you with less money in retirement than if you had invested in a traditional 401(k).

There are some exceptions to this rule. For example, a Roth 401(k) may be the right choice if you make more than $1 million a year or if you make so little that you pay no income tax or very little income tax. But for the majority of us, the Roth 401(k) is better left alone. Here's why.

Roth 401(k) basics

A Roth 401(k) is a retirement plan set up by employers that allows employees to contribute to their retirement. Unlike a traditional 401(k), which is tax-deferred, money invested in a 401(k) Roth account is included in an employee's taxable income. For example, if an employee is in the 25% federal tax bracket and pays 5% in state income tax, he or she would have to make $14,285 in gross income to invest $10,000 in a Roth 401(k).

Here's the math: $14,285 x 30% = $4,285 in taxes. $14,285 - $4,285 = $10,000.

The benefit of a Roth 401(k) is that your investments grow tax-free. If, by retirement, that $10,000 has grown to $50,000, you pay no tax on the $40,000 gain. With a traditional 401(k), the initial investment is excluded from your taxable income, but you do pay taxes as you make withdraws from the account.

Why contributing to a Roth 401(k) may be a mistake

Determining whether a Roth 401(k) or traditional 401(k) is best requires a bit of guesswork. Traditional analysis asks whether your tax rate when you contribute to the Roth 401(k) will be different from the rate you have when you make withdrawals from the retirement account. If your tax rate will be the same, the argument goes, it makes no difference whether you invest in a traditional or Roth 401(k). A tax rate that is higher when you make contributions than when you take withdrawals favors a traditional 401(k), while a tax rate that is lower favors a Roth.

The problem with this analysis is that it glosses over the difference between the marginal tax rate and the effective tax rate. The federal tax rate is progressive, meaning that the tax rate increases as your income increases. For example, here are the 2008 federal tax brackets as released by the IRS:

2008 Tax Brackets

Tax Rate   Single                       Married Filing Jointly

10%            Not over $8,025        Not over $16,050

15%            $8,025 - $32,550        $16,050 - $65,100

25%            $32,550 - $78,850      $65,100 - $131,450

28%            $78,850 - $164,550    $131,450 - $200,300

33%            $164,550 - $357,700  $200,300 - $357,700

35%            Over $357,700           Over $357,700

As you can see, the tax rate increases as an individual or couple's income increases.

The marginal tax rate is the highest rate that people pay based on their income level. For those with taxable income of more than $357,700, the marginal rate is 35%. In contrast, the effective rate is the average income tax rate paid. Somebody with taxable income of $357,701, for example, pays 35% income tax only on the last $1. An individual would pay 33% for taxable income over $164,550, 28% for the portion of taxable income over $78,859, and so on. In the end, the effective tax rate would be the total tax paid divided by gross income, which would come out to a lot less than the marginal rate of 35%.

The key point for our purposes is that contributions to a traditional 401(k) reduce your tax liability at the marginal rate, not the effective rate. In contrast, withdrawals from a traditional 401(k) will be taxed, along with other retirement income, at your effective rate. So unless you expect your current marginal tax rate to equal or exceed your effective tax rate at retirement, the Roth 401(k) is not the best choice.

If you'd like to read a detailed analysis of the Roth 401(k), check out "Thinking about a Roth 401(k)? Think again."

Wise choice?

Is a Roth 401(k) the right choice for anybody? Sure.

For those making in excess of $1 million, their effective tax rate and marginal tax rate begin to converge. Furthermore, they are likely to amass sufficient wealth such that their retirement income could exceed their current income, which could favor a Roth 401(k). Also, if you live in a state that doesn't have an income tax, but expect to move to a state that does during retirement, the Roth 401(k) may be the better choice. And a teenager who doesn't earn enough to pay taxes, but wants to save for retirement, would be better off choosing a Roth account.

Choosing the right investment vehicle is not a one-size-fits-all proposition. And it should be noted that you can invest in both a Roth and traditional 401(k). But for most, sound retirement planning suggests that we pass on the Roth 401(k).

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Comments

 

Glad to see someone standing up for the little guys like us who actually need to participate in a 401k to have a comfortable retirement.  It's quite funny that I ran across this, because just four days ago I tried to outline to young investors how important it is to max out your 401k and take your employers contribution.  The article can be found here and may open your eyes, or may even make you cry if you've missed part of the gold window.

Check it out at www.thegearedinvestor.com/max_out_your_401k.shtml

I outline some pretty conservative investing strategies there.  Imagine if you contribute heavily during this bear market and the economy recovers.  You'll feel like you're the smartest investor around

Cheers, happy investing

This is fuzzy thinking, Roth is the best for most of us which will progress and will have a much higher salary(most coming from investment income) and therefore higher effective tax rates at retirement than now. Also with so much government debt I doubt effective tax rates in the future will be lower. In conclusion Roth is much superior than traditional 401k.

Your article is correct untill you incorporate the ATM tax.  People who now pay the ATM tax are now longer use the 401K deduction on there taxes.  This tax originally designed to catch a dozen tax filers with be including most of us within the next 5 years.

How about when you retire and are allowed only 3  years accross which to amortize a lifetime worth of capital gains? That would subject an entire lifetime worth of growth to the higest of income rates no matter who you are. It's how they punish the best savers. If you're a good saver you go Roth to avoid this.

IMO, your conclusion ignores if a person will be paying taxes on their SS... which a 401K withdrawals could push up... It ignores that there is a mandatory distribution at 70.5 with a 401K... but none with a 401K Roth... it ignores that their is a high probability that there will be means testing for much/all of Medicare premiums/deductible/co-pays.. right now that "means" is based on taxable income.. I know what my tax rate is today... I have no idea what the tax structure will be decades in the future... With the financial state of SS & Medicare... higher rates are almost guaranteed...With the high probability of some sort of national health insurance... which would now appear to be funded via some sort of income tax..  again a 401K could be a LOSER... Then there is the issue of whatever untaxed $$$ are left in the 401K when you die.. handled improperly... and Uncle Sam will get a windfall!!!

This analysis misses several key points.  Benefits include the no required minimum distributions.  This makes money in a Roth extremely attractive for wealth transfer purposes to younger generations.  It also assumes that current tax rates remain stable.  Current tax rates are at historical lows.  Neither I, nor anyone else, knows whether tax rates will increase in the future, but the chance of them going lower is unlikely with a war, large deficits, etc.  Lastly, contributing to a Roth 401k is not an all or nothing proposition.  You could effectively contribute half your contributions to the Roth component and the other half to the traditional component.  This could be an effective hedge against future tax rates.  That being said, the Roth 401k is most attractive to higher earners who are ineligible to contribute to a Roth IRA.  If someone is under the phase-out limits and has the income, maxing out a 401k and contributing to a Roth IRA is a great strategy.

How about if you retire early and  your income drops in the lowest tax category. Then, you withdraw all your money from your traditional 401k with minimum taxes. This can generate generous income on reasonable amount of money.

Discussion of the pros and cons of a Roth should include other utilities inherent in the Roth:  After 5 years ownership it can be an accessible asset, unlike a traditional IRA.

Also, Roths are, I believe, subject to the same early withdrawal exceptions so can be used for 1st home purchases, etc., etc.  The relatively small amount that can be contributed to a Roth compared with large supplemental contributions allowed in

traditional 401ks, 403bs etc. make it a good hedge and better than the 3.8% available with online savings and other "rainy day" funds that are subject to tax.

Please - the logic in this article is flawed.  The purpose of the Roth is to accumulate tax-free earnings!  As long as I meet two basic requirements (being over 59 1/2 and have had five years elapse since the first day of the first year of a Roth contribution), any earnings accumulated are tax free.

If two people put a total of $100,000 into a plan over 30 years into the same investment with the same earnings - their balances will be the same.  One person made $100,000 in traditional, pre-tax contributions (reducing their tax burden over those 30 years by a total of $100,000) and the second person made $100,000 in Roth contributions.  

Let's say both accounts, invested in the same manner, are worth $400,000 thanks to investment returns.  The person who made all pre-tax contributions has a tax burden of $400,000.  The person who made all Roth contributions has already paid taxes on the $100,000 in contributions as they were being made - and receives the balance of the account completely TAX FREE - in this example, $300,000 that the government has never touched, and the original basis of $100,000 can also be withdrawn tax free.

How has this article missed this simple, but important benefit of the Roth?

Roth ira's are for winners. Articles like this is what keeps the little guy from  understanding the dollar.  I am 26 and have been investing for only 3 years, but understand the market very well. If you plan on making money trading your retirement account then you should choose a roth and be rich no matter how much you make now. I don't make much but have more in my roth then most people twice my age and my cash account has passes my income from my job. It doesn't take a smart person, for I didn't graduate high school, but it does take a little good advice and most important SAVE MONEY PEOPLE. So if you want to be poor like 95% of the people and pay more taxes then take the advice this article  good luck

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