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You're frugal but your spouse is not

Posted Feb 08 2008, 08:04 AM by Karen Datko
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This post comes from Trent Hamm at partner blog The Simple Dollar.

Readers often leave comments at The Simple Dollar complaining that they make frugal choices, but their spouses see their savings not as a long-term financial benefit but as more money to spend right now.

Thus, their frugal ways go without a long-term reward. They're careful about spending their money, but their bank account balances don't grow.

I'm lucky. My wife is very frugal, and we share the same philosophy. In fact, she's probably more frugal than I am. Her only weakness is books, but she participates in PaperBackSwap to keep the cost low. She's in line with my goals: freedom from debt, saving for major purchases so we don't have more debt. Our goal as a family is to eliminate all of our debt by my 40th birthday.

Unfortunately, many people aren't in such a lucky situation. They may be in sync with their spouses in a number of ways, but in terms of personal spending, they're in different worlds. Naturally, the frugal spouse is going to be frustrated, watching his or her efforts dissipate in a spending binge. On the other hand, the spending spouse probably feels frustration too, because his or her partner won't "live a little."

How can these two sides meet? Here are five suggestions, culled from a number of sources, particularly my own experiences interacting with my spouse and observing other couples, as well as the excellent "It Pays to Talk."

Accept that your spouse is operating with a different set of beliefs. You believe in the power of frugal living and have chosen to live frugally. That's great. Realize, though, that it is a choice and that your spouse has made a different choice. You can't force people to agree with you, but you may be able to convince them over time to make a different choice for themselves.

Accentuate the positives of frugality. Point out some of the more obvious frugal choices and indicate how much of a difference they will make. "If we hold off a year in replacing the car but save up the money now, we'll save $6,000." "If we skip one shopping spree a month and turn that saved money into one extra house payment a year, we can pay off our mortgage five years earlier. Think about how much extra money we would have each month then."

When making spur-of-the-moment entertainment or social choices, suggest frugality but don't point it out. If your spouse wants to do something today, take the initiative and suggest something that doesn't break your budget. Instead of a trip to the mall, suggest going to a free museum. Instead of going out to eat somewhere expensive, propose that you make a romantic dinner at home. The best tactic is to suggest the idea spontaneously, but don't focus on the fact that it's cheap.

Make your saving automatic. One reader has a spouse who, at the end of the month, sees what remains in the checking account as extra money to spend. Set up a separate savings account and have a certain amount transferred to that fund on a regular basis. That way, there isn't "leftover" cash in the checking account, and you can use that savings account stash for major purchases, like a car down payment.

Propose "equal spending." If none of the above work well, propose that the "extra" money be spent equally, then sock yours away. If there's $200 left at the end of the month, you each take $100. Your spouse spends it, and you save it. This works well if it's pretty clear that your spouse won't come around to making frugal choices.

Most of these ideas have one thing in common: They demonstrate the benefits of frugality without the preaching. Don't tell your spouse how great frugality is and how "bad" she or he is for not believing in it. Instead, walk the walk and let your spouse see the benefits.

Eventually -- hopefully -- the power of frugal living will become clear.

Never, ever push it to confrontation. That will just result in two unhappy people in a marriage. If you're constantly telling your spouse to spend less, resentment is probably building up, and that's a tactic that always ends in failure. Instead, focus on being a good example of frugality, and when the benefits are clear, point them out.

Also, be willing to compromise a little. If your spouse wants to go out for a nice dinner on occasion, go along with it. Marriage is about compromise, in the end.

Other articles of interest at The Simple Dollar:

"Afraid to talk about money with your spouse? 10 tips for 'The Talk'"

"Review: 'It Pays to Talk'"

"6 ways to follow up that big financial talk with your spouse"

Comments

 

I guess I consider myself extremely lucky.  My partner and I dont fight about money, we discuss finances and money but never fight about it.  For being only 28 myself and my partner only 25, and already own our own home, frugality has obviously paid off.  I have been frugal for the last 7 years, while all my friends were spending the money they dont have and running up the credit cards, but it has obviously paid off because 98% of my friends still live with their PARENTS! We as a couple teach each other about money and such.  Being frugal is a game to me,  and I enjoy it. We both work for the same company in construction, (concrete construction) and living in the south, living expenses are pretty low, considering other parts of the country, making over 50k each and thats without college education, (yes without college) and not having kids does help in saving money too.  We have around 15 k in an emergency fund,and its still growing.   Finding balance in frugal and being obsessive about saving is a hard thing to do, but it can be done and you will be glad you did.

When we first married it wasn't paycheck to paycheck it was more paycheck to ok what can't be paid this week.  We weren't spending it; there just wasn't enough to go around.  So we didn't save for college.  If you don't have it you can't save it.  Well now our child is going to college on college loans.  I am working a second job to help pay this but my wife complains I am not home and if I had made more and saved more we wouldn't be in this mess.  I figure college loan debt is better than credit card debt so just about everything else is paid off when due.  Am I wrong to feel that bills should be paid first?

Sheesh. . .talk about knowing people before you say "I do"  My mom pulls this "secret debt" thing on my dad.  But I think her debt is to the tune of $5K or less.  Anyways, I only did that once with my hubby for $700 that I put on the credit card but had the money to pay off by the end of the month.  He freaked out.  Not because I spent the money, but because I didn't tell him.  I learned my lesson.  We are honest and open about our finances and it is a team effort.

He is frugal, and I wasn't so frugal when we were dating.  It took a few years but his thriftiness eventually influenced me to change my ways.  He loves to watch our savings grow and now I do too!  We make six figures but the only thing that is indicative of our income is our house.  I buy clothes from consignment and he is proud when he can sport a sweater that he has owned since 1996.  We have the money in cash to buy what we want or we don't buy it.  Period.  We have a healthy savings too.  We went to see a financial planner last week.  He didn't seem to believe us when we told him that we have no credit card debt.  I'm sure there aren't too many people who walk into his office that have no credit card debt and are under the age of 30.

This is a fantastic entry. extremely helpful and very tactful. It teaches us a lot of things. Thanks

Fortunately we are close to the same page and realize that living frugally mainly in our earlier years yet never being downright wasteful with what we work to hard to obtain has rewarded us beyond belief now - getting us mortgage & debt free and heading toward earlier retirement even on work paying less than $10.00 an hour and having a child in college.

Anyone can have the basics of a good life - nice home, decent car, raise kids, take vacations, pay for college and more.  I have done it earning just $4-9.00 per hour jobs - have zero debt and am almost able to retire at age 50.  Simply PAYING YOURSELF FIRST beginning immediately upon starting to work is one key, avoiding debt at all cost and paying it off ASAP is another, avoiding divorce is another. avoiding the healthcare system and generally not buying health insurance (work on staying healthy) and of course learning the basics of appropriate investing and risk taking.  Yes, wealth in minimum wage is possible and I have done it and am happier than ever!

My wife and I do a mine yours and ours accts if either of doesn't think the choice is wise or the $$ is for something for ourselves we pay for it ourselves.   Some of our friends think we're weird but we rarely argue about $$.  It also leads to a little bit of an inner family savings competition>

I have been married for 4 years and my husband is very frugal and I am a spender even though I make a little more than him. We decided it was best if he took charge of all the money. I get a weekly cash allowance, no credit cards or atm cards, no debit cards, just cash. If I want to spend money above my allowance, I either have to saveit, or I have to get permission. Most of the time, I'd rather not ask so I don't spend. We never fight about money.

Problem: the one who saves can get hurt in the case of divorce.  All debt is split equally; even though one spouse was responsible while the other was always  spending.  So you get no benefit, but half the responsibility to repay after the divorce.  Oh yeah, and any money you have saved, spouse is entitled to half of that also, regardless of who saved it.  Pays to speak up now and protect yourself, or lose the second income and pay off those bills by yourself!

To tired of cheap people,

You say "They use every opportunity to save and save, for what, to die and leave it here, or give it to hospitals or nursing homes?" but would you rather be denied treatment because it is too expensive and your health insurance will not pay for it? Or have to live in a tiny studio apartment when you are 80 or not have nursing care when you can not provide for yourself? I think it is sad when I see an elderly person in a tiny dirty apartment with no medical or physical help because they were too dumb to live frugally when they were young and had a choice. Now they live frugally because they have to since they are too old and sick to work and have no savings!

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