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You're frugal but your spouse is not

Posted Feb 08 2008, 08:04 AM by Karen Datko
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This post comes from Trent Hamm at partner blog The Simple Dollar.

Readers often leave comments at The Simple Dollar complaining that they make frugal choices, but their spouses see their savings not as a long-term financial benefit but as more money to spend right now.

Thus, their frugal ways go without a long-term reward. They're careful about spending their money, but their bank account balances don't grow.

I'm lucky. My wife is very frugal, and we share the same philosophy. In fact, she's probably more frugal than I am. Her only weakness is books, but she participates in PaperBackSwap to keep the cost low. She's in line with my goals: freedom from debt, saving for major purchases so we don't have more debt. Our goal as a family is to eliminate all of our debt by my 40th birthday.

Unfortunately, many people aren't in such a lucky situation. They may be in sync with their spouses in a number of ways, but in terms of personal spending, they're in different worlds. Naturally, the frugal spouse is going to be frustrated, watching his or her efforts dissipate in a spending binge. On the other hand, the spending spouse probably feels frustration too, because his or her partner won't "live a little."

How can these two sides meet? Here are five suggestions, culled from a number of sources, particularly my own experiences interacting with my spouse and observing other couples, as well as the excellent "It Pays to Talk."

Accept that your spouse is operating with a different set of beliefs. You believe in the power of frugal living and have chosen to live frugally. That's great. Realize, though, that it is a choice and that your spouse has made a different choice. You can't force people to agree with you, but you may be able to convince them over time to make a different choice for themselves.

Accentuate the positives of frugality. Point out some of the more obvious frugal choices and indicate how much of a difference they will make. "If we hold off a year in replacing the car but save up the money now, we'll save $6,000." "If we skip one shopping spree a month and turn that saved money into one extra house payment a year, we can pay off our mortgage five years earlier. Think about how much extra money we would have each month then."

When making spur-of-the-moment entertainment or social choices, suggest frugality but don't point it out. If your spouse wants to do something today, take the initiative and suggest something that doesn't break your budget. Instead of a trip to the mall, suggest going to a free museum. Instead of going out to eat somewhere expensive, propose that you make a romantic dinner at home. The best tactic is to suggest the idea spontaneously, but don't focus on the fact that it's cheap.

Make your saving automatic. One reader has a spouse who, at the end of the month, sees what remains in the checking account as extra money to spend. Set up a separate savings account and have a certain amount transferred to that fund on a regular basis. That way, there isn't "leftover" cash in the checking account, and you can use that savings account stash for major purchases, like a car down payment.

Propose "equal spending." If none of the above work well, propose that the "extra" money be spent equally, then sock yours away. If there's $200 left at the end of the month, you each take $100. Your spouse spends it, and you save it. This works well if it's pretty clear that your spouse won't come around to making frugal choices.

Most of these ideas have one thing in common: They demonstrate the benefits of frugality without the preaching. Don't tell your spouse how great frugality is and how "bad" she or he is for not believing in it. Instead, walk the walk and let your spouse see the benefits.

Eventually -- hopefully -- the power of frugal living will become clear.

Never, ever push it to confrontation. That will just result in two unhappy people in a marriage. If you're constantly telling your spouse to spend less, resentment is probably building up, and that's a tactic that always ends in failure. Instead, focus on being a good example of frugality, and when the benefits are clear, point them out.

Also, be willing to compromise a little. If your spouse wants to go out for a nice dinner on occasion, go along with it. Marriage is about compromise, in the end.

Other articles of interest at The Simple Dollar:

"Afraid to talk about money with your spouse? 10 tips for 'The Talk'"

"Review: 'It Pays to Talk'"

"6 ways to follow up that big financial talk with your spouse"

Comments

 

In our society, people have lost sight of what is necessary to live.  Everything else is luxury.  We have had so much, so long that most confuse needs with wants.  If you can't get away from pampering yourself, then try traveling to a country where there is a lower standard of living.  After you wittness a Phillipino child swim through a sewer to retrive a quarter, you may change your beliefs about NEEDING a flat screen T.V.

  I am considerably more frugal than my wife, and I have to admit that my frugality is overboard. I would classify myself as a compulsive saver and investor. I was one of four children of two Depression era parents who worked very hard and made every dollar count. My wife also came from a very modest background, however she is much more balanced in her handling of money. I have learned to back off and not nag her about money, recognizing that she has a much more balanced approach.

  I'm about 50 and here's a few tips for you newlyweds or twenty somethings; Get out of debt!!! If you aren't in debt, congratulations, and don't go there! Learn to discipline yourself to save money for the things you want and pay cash for them. If you use credit cards pay them off when the bill comes in. Force yourself to save some money--10 to 20% of every paycheck. No matter how young you are start an IRA and put some money in it every year-you'll be surprised how it grows over time. Lastly, don't try to keep up with the Jonses!! The neighbors that seem to always have a  new Escalade or BMW and are always going on vacation etc.etc are also probably carrying a lot of debt. Don't fall into this debt trap!!! Speaking of cars, I typically buy excellent used cars and then keep them for approximately 10 years, or up to about 200,000 miles. ALL my neighbors drive fairly new expensive cars and I'm confident they are all making payments on them. Don't waste money like this!!! Take some of that money you would have spent on that new 328 that you lust for and put it into a retirement account. When you're 65 you'll have a nice fat account and that 328 or C-class will be long forgotten.

 A couple who are out of sync on money will always have a lot of stress between them. My wife and I learned early in our marriage how to accomodate our different attitudes about money,spending and saving and it has worked fairly well. Our NET worth is approximately 1.2 million dollars and we carry a mortgage on our home that is about 6% of its true market value.We have no other debt..Believe me, we aren't large salary people like Doctors or super smart investors ( I never broke 1000 on my SAT's). We simply made some sacrifices, were very conservative in our use of debt, took some business risks, had self discipline, and worked hard. YOU can do it also, and if you have your spouse onboard with the same plan and goals its a lot easier and a lot more fun. Always remember that when you use credit you are making someone else wealthy...not you!

Wow, excellent example "Wake up America" about what we want and what we need.  I too have visited other countries in dire poverty and came back to the "wasteful west" far more aware of how little we actually need.  Besides food, shelter and clothes, there isn't much else.  I am learning to be content with less and I find there is more to appreciate this way.  My spouse is becoming more open to the idea of living simply as he sees me living more simply (buying less, watching less t.v., et.).  Good article Trent!

How can your spouse possibly run up $ 30 grand in credit card debt  without your knowledge?  What did he/she  spend $ 30 grand on?  Junk?  Toys? Clothes? Vacations?  How could this happen without your knowing something was going on?   Where does common sense come in?  Come on now, it takes 2 to tango.  

My wife and I are now retired............but still very active, have always lived a good life style, have a beautiful home (paid for), vacations, investments especially in local real estate, a net worth well into 7 figures, have credit cards but have always paid them in full monthly on billing.  We started our married life with exactly $ 155.00. You have to be an idiot to let the credit card companies suck you in and that is exactly what is happening to too many people....then when they get in trouble it is 'refinance' and get pulled in even deeper.............disipline is the answer................if you don't have it or can't acquire it....good luck

I agree with AAS.... how do you not notice 30grand in items scattered around the household?

Some of these comments are outrageous. A marriage is a team effort, and you have all these people complaining about HIS debt/ HER debt and "loaning" your spouse money. When you marry, the money is "ours". The person who is more financially responsible should handle the money, but still keep the other spouse in the loop, i.e. up to date on investments/thinking about buying car/ refinancing, etc.

And how do these women put up with their husbands buying all this crap while they are stuck with nothing? Are you really that beaten down? Get a divorce... at least you  know he has plenty of money for alimony.

Kevin C.. if only my Ex had YOUR attitude!!!  I confronted my husband... he told me "Don't you realize we are better off than 90%of the people in this world"...  Made me look like the idiot.  I work in the financial field; I am not stupid about money.  I support the SAME household on ONE salary now (mine) that use to take TWO paychecks. What does that tell you? And I have more money in the bank in two years than we saved in 20!!!    he went off and found a "sugar momma" and he has all the material things that he ever wanted that I said "no" to purchasing.  I am so amazed.  And so disappointed that he put STUFF before his wife and children.   How sad.    I realize now though that is associates "things" with love.. that is how his mother showed him love.   It is so sad....  

take a preset amount and put it away every month so that when its time to spend

you can spend on things that mutually benefit you both

Facinating to me that our culture is so secretive about money.  I provide pre marrige conseling in Maine and force people to confront money issues before they marry.  It makes a huge difference.  Sadly or maybe good out of about 400 couples so far only 6 married.  Now if I could get to couples before they made babies (had sex even better) there would be better financial and peace of mind results would exist.

Wow, this is us! Drives me crazy. We'd be toast by now at 6 years but a friend mentioned how they handled money. We use a modified aproach. It is not perfect, but it's doable. We make good money, but live in a very high cost of living location.

*1. We get our paychecks direct deposited into our own accounts

*2. We put our monthly dues into a joint account based on how much each person makes.

*3. The Dues are calculated so we each get the same "allowance" each month left in our separate accounts to spend on whatever we want (this includes clothes and non-family eating out). This is several hundred dollars so it can be saved up for something big like a trip.

*4. All family spending comes out of the joint account. Most shopping is done by her and bills are paid by the frugal one (that would be me)

*5 I shovel money like mad into retirement accounts (this is considered family spending)

*6 I divert our "surplus" money into a separate savings account at an online bank so it never showes up in the checking account.

*7 My wife pays her credit cards with her allowance money, because I'll be [%$#!] if I'm ever going to pay credit card interest.

*8 Major purchases are agreed to and paid out of the separate savings account or financed if needed. These are very controled situations with lots of negociation. This is not easy because we could each spend many times our savings on things we think are required.

*9 In addition we have a small linked savings account where I transfer money monthly for infrequent major bills like insurance. This account is also our overdraft protection.

*10 at the end of the month when the money runs out, we have to stop spending. If it looks tight, I'll transfer money from the linked savings account to the checking account to hold us over until our next dues payment. Then I'll pull the money back out to replenish the savings account.

*11 Unexpected major expenses (like medical, car repairs etc.) are paid out of the large separate savings account so the budget doesn't get whomped unfairly.

 It sounds complicated, but it is not so bad. My wife is actually NOT a free spender, she's just a zero-ballance kind of person and I'm a saver.

Our major disagrements originally were on what constitutes a family expense. She had a much more open interpretation than I did. Also, deciding on major spending is very hard.

Now, I have to say, I know I'm the warped one, but over our careers, I'm sure she has made much more than I have, yet I've got 10's of thousands in the bank and she has basically nothing. I would consider her spending very typical and mine very frugal. However, I like to spend on big things. So I might not get anything with my allowance for a couple months and then buy some electronic gizmo that I will use and enjoy for years.

We have real estate investments with mortgages so that no how much we spend and little we save, there is always at least mid 5 figure additional equity each year.  Then when we sell, we have money equivalent to savings.  This way we are rich but property poor.

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